Ross & Deb Middleton | BMA Hydroponics | Expert Growing Tips & Activist Life | Noobie & Doobie OTS #32

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During our conversation with Ross & Deb we discussed their personal cannabis journeys and their past, present & future as activists as well as getting tips & advice for growing great cannabis.

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He’s from the Church.  She’s from the garden...of Weeden.  They’re from different worlds with the same goal.  To engage & explore the cannabis culture...from both sides.  

Join medicinal user, model & advocate Marijane Baker and non-consumer, former youth pastor & current clean comedian Timmy Boyle for a unique, funny & educational look into the magical, controversial and, for some, forbidden world of weed.  

Timmy & Mj (a real life “mixed” couple) bring their cannabis pillow talk into the public domain as well as inviting guests, from inside & outside the weed community, to help educate, entertain & inspire the other noobies & doobies who are tuning in.

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[Music] this podcast is for adults only should

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not be used as a meal replacement and may contain nuts [Music]

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hey everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Newbie and the Doobie my name is Timmy I am the Newbie

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Mary Jane I am the Doobie we're very excited to have with us on the show today Ross and Deb Middleton

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um BMA Hydroponics was uh good job thank you very much I've been learning this

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information along the way uh a long time um friends of of MJ and I'm excited to

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get a chance to know them today as will all of you who are tuning in now to find out what exactly is happening and Deb

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and Ross's world so uh yeah thank you so much for joining us today oh you're welcome thanks for having me

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making time out of here I want to say busy schedule but it's kind of like leading to a chill schedule because then

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you're going to be able to relax so I don't feel bad we're about as chill as you can get under the circumstances yeah

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the activities going on here and you guys you guys are currently out

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east is that correct in Nova Scotia right near Yarmouth oh nice well that's

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somewhere not what your mouth not my mouth

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that must be a local joke those those East Coast jokes

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this is me I'm Mr corny yeah that is definitely an area we want to

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get out to we haven't been out east yet and uh so hopefully I have I was working

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at one time where I had a job that I had to travel by vehicle all over all over the east coast

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and I've been but we haven't done it together beautiful I'm just gonna say the east coast is beautiful this is

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gorgeous yeah not so much in November December when you get stranded in New Brunswick but no no do not can I just

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say this do not go to New Brunswick I love you we love passing through there but Jason

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I mean there's a lot of snow we live there I'm sure they like it but it's the winter it's the winter

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as far as as far as we know we have zero listeners from New Brunswick so that's gonna it will be here

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wait does the internet work when it's that cold [Laughter]

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so Mary Jane often even though she she knows you guys she she there is one of

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the reasons why we do this show is not only to kind of talk about um the things that people are involved

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in but as a newbie and as somebody who grew up in a world where cannabis wasn't

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talked about at all grew up in an Evangelical Church um if there was any information at all it was misinformation and one of the

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things that we wanted to do on this show was to help break down that stigma that is often based

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um on a whole lot of misinformation and the best way I've found to do it is by

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hearing stories the reason that MJ and I are here today just not only relationally but doing projects like

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this is because I met somebody who for the first time broke that stigma as I

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started to hear her story and I realized there was a why behind her cannabis use I realized that she could actually

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function as a human being despite cannabis use these were things I did not know I thought people just smoked to

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escape Escape world and they had no other coping mechanisms and that they clearly couldn't be functioning and so

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people's stories and their Journeys is a huge part of what I think is going to help break down the stigma let alone the

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science that is slowly coming in and uh exposing a whole lot of those untruths

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so Mary Jane's favorite question I'm going to let her take the stage now my

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favorite question I was going to say something before you got there oh well Timmy's very good see you're very good

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at just like

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normally he asked me before we begin do you have a plan and I'm like nope no plan so the one time he didn't ask and I

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was like wait I have a plan um I was going to talk about the reason why I specifically wanted Devin Ross on

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the show okay um is because when we talk about talking to people with interesting stories

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that was honestly one of my favorite parts of coming to work for you guys was

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the stories that I was going to hear that day about um just learning sensimilla

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just just that one bro I mean I'm not gonna say anymore but like I know like that and like all these other things

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with the rules and regulations and the cup winnings and all these things and I

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was like it was so fun and so exciting I was like we have to have these two people on which ultimately does lead into my

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favorite question because I don't think I've I ever found this out because I

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probably didn't ask but this is my favorite question to ask and it's the only one we have on the podcast which is

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I want to know about the first time you consumed cannabis I want to know was it

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hash was it oil flour did you smoke it you don't have to tell me how young you were like you don't have to yeah

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if you choose to that's awesome but like I want to know all the details did you get high did you feel nothing I'll be

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quiet now I'll be quiet and I'll let you decide which one goes first yeah you go first ladies first okay well originally

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I'm from Colorado so in Colorado Springs and we had you know the Air Force Academy and

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everything so in the early 70s is when I

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had my first encounter with cannabis and I was 15

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and where I'm from we did not smoke joints we I did not know what to do with

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the Cannabis I got from a girl whose brother got it from somebody that had

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come back from Europe through the Armed Forces so I ate it I had no idea this

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boy ate it horrible I can remember like it was just a bud it was like you stuck it in your

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mouth it was round up yeah and back then it was Mexico no it came from Europe it

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was Panama Red you

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know and I didn't have brothers or sisters to tell me you know or anything so I ate it and felt absolutely nothing

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so my next encounter was somebody who did we smoked it but we used to smoke

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out of it Chillum and a Chillum is a kind of pipe that you put between your fingers and cup and

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it's a bowl and you light it and do that we did not smoke joints

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just but it took honestly probably about seven times

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before I ever felt the effects of it

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yeah that's yeah that's interesting because my the very first time I smoked a joint was was about five years ago

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right after I had I had met Mary Jane and I mean after a lifetime of hearing

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all this this stuff about it um I felt nothing as well and I was I was super disappointed and if it wasn't

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before Mary Jane saying hey you know what that's when I first started to learn about there's maybe a different strain those

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type of things might do um because I just assumed weed was weed it's one of the biggest lessons that I've learned throughout this process is

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that it's way too complex to be just weed as weeds unless it comes to smelling but I probably never it all smells like that I never would have even

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tried again if it wasn't or I would have gone well this did nothing and I would have walked on so you just continued to

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push through you were determined it was determined it's like everybody else is getting what's wrong

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with me right why am I not getting this yeah so I will

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I will tell you Dad the same thing happened to me too um when I finally felt it it was because

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I was like no I'm good I've I don't get high and the guy was like I think he

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should slow down that's really strong stuff and I was like no no no I never get high and I yeah

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yeah so what happened when you actually felt like the first oh it was the greatest

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laugh fest of my life like you know rolling on the floor everything was

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funny it was it was great and it um I don't know I really enjoyed it

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recreationally for the majority of my young adult and

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adult life and I I hate to say this even when I was a prank when I was pregnant the day I conceived until the day I

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delivered I was sick every single day and not just morning but most of the day

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and it was the only thing that helped me and yeah okay so yeah

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medically because I've had both of my hips replaced and I have some nerve

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damage and arthritis and things and I've used it medically who probably for about 15 to 20 years

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but up until then I've been smoking or using cannabis I should say for about 50 years now

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so so the time when you were when you were pregnant was that the first time that it crossed your mind that cannabis

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could be medicine or had you already kind of processed that no no that's when

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I really thought it's the only thing for the nausea that stops me from being

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nauseous and I mean it used to be I'd wake up in the morning and Roscoe oh God yeah there she goes

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yes it was that's probably the only only

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have one child yeah I was going to say isn't pregnancy beautiful

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no no it was off I thought it was great

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yeah it's kind of is cannabis does cannabis stop pregnancy right is that is that a scientific thing yeah

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[Laughter] I think it makes the swimmers a little

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faster yeah live a little longer I don't know

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it definitely doesn't stop it or else I wouldn't have children

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do you feel because one of the things that that we've talked a lot about and um is the uh the consuming with um with

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purpose and intention um even though you didn't know the intention when you were only smoking it

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um recreationally yeah looking back do you feel that it was serving a medicinal

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purpose back then like do do you act you know some people like look back and go oh my goodness I've been using it

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medically a lot longer than I ever consciously was aware of but it was stopping something

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hmm I don't know I don't think we ever

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thought of it about medicinal I mean it was always recreational it was just for fun and it was stayed that way I mean

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until probably we got you know like 20 30 25 years ago maybe then it's it's medicinal

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qualities started to come out more and and people started to find out more

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about it and then you know and of course we were young and healthy and we really didn't have a condition at that point to

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treat you know so it wasn't like something that even crossed our minds as being medicinal but uh later you know as

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you get older and things start to fall apart you start to build what a good medicine it is

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yeah see I I when I went to the doctor uh shortly after my second child was

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born the doctor basically said hey dummy you've been self-medicating with

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cannabis since the age of 16. and I was like wait what so that's that's I think a little bit

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kind of like I I didn't have to think about it because the doctor basically

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slapped me in the face with the knowledge that like hey you've been using this for answer for as an

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anti-anxiety medication since you were a teenager when you stopped taking your

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anti-anxiety medication and started consuming cannabis like

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that is true true I I personally didn't know yeah well

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when we moved to Florida because we moved from Colorado to Florida where my parents

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retired that's where we met we met in Florida on the Gulf of Mexico and I

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actually paid a couple of guys I went to school with a half ounce to show me how to roll a joint because I still didn't

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know how to roll a joint so consumer

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and you're not know how to roll no

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so then yeah and then I could go and walk on the beach when there was yeah so you're right it does

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help with anxiety a lot and as a teenager yeah yeah

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so when when was the first when was the first time you smoked a joint then if your process wasn't initially smoking

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when did that change well it

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after I'd started because we smoked out of a Chillum but it was always out of a pipe it type thing it was never with a

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joint really really joints started when I moved to Florida because I didn't have

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a pipe and I wasn't going to buy a corn cup at the local Junior looks like you found yourself a roller

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[Laughter] well and I feel like the quality of

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cannabis has changed too from the time that you started at the time that like even when you're saying like yeah it

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became medicinal and there was more medicinal properties like I showed Timmy a photo of what we would call like

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um was it Jamaican ditch weed or whatever like that like sticks and stems and all like in a brick yeah and I was

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like that's what they call a brick of weed and he's like that's weed like that's cannabis yeah

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yeah it's it's surprising when we were in Florida after Ross and I were married I worked for a commercial Fishery

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we always had the Customs guys in and my boss's cousin was

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supposed yes Sparky was busted for 27 tons that was taken up to where up the

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Intercoastal Waterway from the Gulf of Mexico and we there was a paper mill

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near us where Ross worked and they used to take all these huge bales of cannabis

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that would come in on the boats and take them over to the paper mill throw them in the incinerator throw them in the

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incinerator and they'd just wait till they caught on fire and then as soon as they caught on fire all the guys were

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pulled it all after after the authorities left they said okay it's all in there it's all in the incinerator and

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they'd walk away and leave but the guys who had run the incinerator you knew that you had to keep mixing it mixing it

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and mixing it the cops and all the authorities they got their Hooks and they pulled them all

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back out again dusted off all the burnt stuff got the stuff in the center and that was hitting the streets right away

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yeah yeah nasty yeah I can imagine

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you know 10 bucks about so Ross how about how about your first time what uh what what happened how did

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you get there uh 53 years ago so yeah 14 14. I'm excited I decided I'd heard

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about this thing called marijuana on the news and I've seen all the hippies and all of that stuff it was all hippies I

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wanted to be hippie and I wanted to try it so I went out and I sought it from a a guy who whose name was Rick Bunyan he

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was a new guy just moved in grade eight right and this new guy moves in and he's got long hair right long red hair and

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like nobody had long hair it was like oh he's got to be a hippie right he's got

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to have we I want to try weed so I went over to him I said hey Rick I'm Ross you know like can you get me weed

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and he said well I don't know you know maybe kind of so I said I said please you know can you give me sweet okay sure

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so I bought five Joints off of him wait so you were you were dead on you you saw from his hair and you were actually

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right I was I'm dead on dead on and so I bought five joints for five dollars

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that back then you know like a dollar back then is like ten dollars today right so I bought these five joints and

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I went and I rounded up a few friends and I said hey I got these joints let's go smoke them so we went way back into

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the woods like Way Back Into the Woods where nobody would see us and we all hid back there and we smoked these joints

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and honestly none of us got high but we all thought we should be high so we all

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acted high but we were really high but we thought we were you know what I mean it was like

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what are those psychosomatic things where you think you're high and um yeah that was like the first time was a dud

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um and it cost me like five bucks which is probably about like 50 bucks today right wow so you know uh yeah it was a

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bit of a dead but I was determined so um I kept trying it and finally one day I

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got high and and I mean I don't know if you guys remember your first time but that first time is a real kick in the

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ass I mean it was just like um

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did we lose you you guys have Frozen up just in case you're wondering

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if you can hear us I don't know if they look cute over here oh there you are there you go

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you're saying uh the first time it really kicks you in the pants it did it really kicked me in the pants but I

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loved it and I I I laid on the ground I rolled around just laughing just laughing I'm not at anything in

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particular just laughing and I just thought this is great

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53 years ago and I haven't looked back I mean did uh um did all of your friends who everybody

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pretended to be high did anyone actually get it right in terms of like when you actually got high you're like boy we

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were way off you know back then it was pretty much around where we were it was all Mexican right so it was a crap shoot

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with Mexican weed um it was either pretty good or wasn't good at all and

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the stuff most of the stuff we got was like the dirt weed that he you know really wasn't that great uh but finally when you know there was a little

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Colombian would come around or something then the Colombian now that was some really good stuff back then that would

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kick your butt right so I think that was the first thing that I got high on was Colombia and and that really kicked

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yes I mean it was good um the Colombians I don't know why I don't know what it was about Colombia

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but they just knew how to do it or they just had the right strain I think it's just the right strain so yeah the land

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race outside yeah versus the Mexican land race yeah no

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comparison you say land race and I'm like I wish we could get our hands on something yes

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like here land races now yes and that's what you had back then were land races right Jamaican

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um yeah Colombian and Mexican and that was pretty much it yeah and it was all seats the seeds seeds and everything

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um at some point the Jamaicans started to to pull their meals and after a while you'd be able to get Jamaican uh we

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called it Packy weed and not for the reasons you think it was because it was packed into into like

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um cucks and uh and you pull it apart and it was all brown and had this musty kind of

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smell and they had started pulling their mails they realized that Jamaica was the first place where they started pulling

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the males and making sense right and if you don't know what sansomia means do you know what that is it's a Spanish

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word I I don't I've I've heard it and I think so but it's actually San Samia so

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San Samia it means without seed yeah so it's it's just Spanish for without seed

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and that's what and they found then the cartels all started doing it and found

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that they could actually ship more because the seeds were no longer in it and didn't add the weight so they could

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make up the weights with just so what it wasn't for quality purposes the quality

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thing was unintentional they wanted to get more weed into a smaller brick so

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take the seeds out you get more weed and a smaller brick right right so but they didn't realize that by pulling the males

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taking the seeds out it actually improved the Cannabis immensely so

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and San Samia or sensimilla as we shortened it too it is now a big deal right and that's all there is I mean

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try to find someone with seed now yeah it's funny um if you find stuff

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with seeds you're generally upset yes well I know are like what the [ __ ] are these seeds like I keep getting seeds in

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my [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah no I don't mind yeah I generally take them like uh

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sunflowers um seeds and I just crack them open and I eat the heart from the inside yeah or

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the temp right it's good for you are the three are the three big players that you mentioned

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there Colombia Jamaica and I think there was there was one other one Mexican um where do they all where are they all

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within the scope now or is it is great weed still coming out of Colombia where

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where do those three players Jamaica seems very stereotypical but yeah I mean yes absolutely I'm sure they're still

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growing a lot oh um there's not a market for anymore

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because we grow our own here now and the market is flooded with local cannabis so

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they can't they can't get in edgewise you know what I mean there's nothing left there's no money in it anymore for

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them so it's not worth the risk of of putting it on a fishing boat bringing it all the way up through the Gulf of

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Mexico and then trying to get it through all you know like I mean all that smuggling thing it just wasn't worth it because now it's everywhere and that's

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right but I did know an actual cannabis scientist who worked uh his mentor

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worked for agriculture Canada who went and worked with the government of Colombia and they were trying to save

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their land race seats that they had there the strains that

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they had and continue to grow them without them being adulterated by other

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things that were brought in because it might have been a better cash crop or something but they were trying to save

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their land race strains because there are certain profiles to the terpenes and things that

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they're finding which are very medicinal with the terpene profiles that the ones

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that have been introduced didn't have so they were working to try and and keep

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their genetics pure to to maintain that and at one point

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there was uh well you know Franco and Aryan who formed the Strain Hunters with

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greenhouse seeds who were going around to all these different countries and

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getting local land race strains and taking them back and growing and producing them but they did find some

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the last one that uh Franco in the Congo or he actually got malaria and passed

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away from it there while he was on an expedition they found some that had a

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genetic property that was the highest in

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THV thcd no no I think it was just THB and it was

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actually for weight loss for weight loss and it was the highest

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strain they'd ever found because they used to take seeds back then they'd grow them in the laboratory test them all out

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and do all of that but it was the highest they'd ever found and Franco was

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going back to the Congo and learning how they how

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they cultivated it what they did to actually produce it to see if that was

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if it was either nature or nurture that helped contribute to the the profiles of

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this cannabis and that's when he got malaria and passed away so what is it nature or nurture what was

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the findings we don't know don't know it it never it's both I think

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it's both it never came back to find out what what was doing it that's in that

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the nature virgin versus nurture question is interesting because I've had this question before with things like

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for example Hindu Kush it's found in the mountains of like what the Hindu region

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right and if you if you look at the people in the culture around those land

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races the effect that comes from that land race is very similar to the culture

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so Jamaican strains are a little bit more sativa because Jamaican people are

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like you know a little bit more there is a thing about Jamaica though they decided in Jamaica that um it's kind of

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have foregone their own variety their own land race and they started getting seeds in from seed banks and growing

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other strains and then making sense to me and then so they kind of lost the Jamaican strains kind of been lost it

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still exists on somebody in Trinidad and some of the other islands where the Jamaican Supreme went to there they

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there but in Jamaica it's hard to find actual Jamaican yeah that's all you get

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is the stuff that they've been growing from other seeds that they've been buying online and you know getting the seeds and yeah throwing sense to me and

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it's all kinds of strange now so yeah yeah see I've I've got some like I've got violator Kush which you can't find

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the seeds for anymore because it's one like it's not even a land race train but

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it's it's an older strain that you can't get and I'm I'm holding on to the seed

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because I'm like if I pop this it's the last of the Violator you know

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what I mean and it's like one of those things that I'm like I gotta make sure I give a cutting to somebody somebody

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that's gonna keep this baby alive that's right either that or find out somebody who can cryogenically freeze a piece of

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tissue culture then you could keep the strain indefinitely in a Petri dish and

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it would be the only way it would ever not drift because even if you gave a clone to somebody 20 years later yeah

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that brain is going to drift genetically it's like a photocopy of a photocopy it

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starts to drift but by tissue culture that's the only way

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something stays true to the genetics and they should take land race strains and

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put them in the vault in Sweden under cultures to keep them that way to use it

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as a propagation method it's it's very difficult because it's only about 62

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percent effective to do for a reproduction method but to keep a

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genetic library that way you could store thousands of strains in just little

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petri dishes right so you don't have to keep a mother plant you can just get

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tissue culture so it'd be nice if they did that what

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and I'm too old to start going around saying do this

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honestly there's the whole name thing like there's so many different names for so many different so-called strains yeah

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what you have are a bunch of hybrids okay so people cross this one that one across that one with this one and then

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it all becomes genetically uh like a crap shoot so you take um you you take a deck of cards and you

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throw it up in the air and then you look at the ones that fall face up right and then you take your deck and throw it up

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again and look at the ones that fall face up they're all different every time right and that's kind of like genetics

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and that's where it's kind of gone so now you've got this mishmash of all these different genetics so you say

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violator Cush what is that really right yeah and and whose violator Kush

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seed company too you liked that but you liked that strength right and that strain was a

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hybrid that somebody bred and the chances of ever getting that same exact thing again is almost no okay oh so this

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is this is where I was like when I started working for you guys I was like I'm gonna learn how to grow I'm gonna get this down pat and whatever and then

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I'm like okay I got my seeds I got all my stuff and then you tell me you get five seeds you pop them all you

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put them all they're all the same genetics you put them in the tent they're all getting fed the same food

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and they're all getting the same light and they're all whatever but they don't all turn out the same which is fine but

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one of them I kept and I caught cutting is awesome and they're all from the same plant and I'm like they're all going to

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be the same this time and I put them in the tent and I grow them all the same you see them already they're like ah no

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because it depends where in the tent it is how much does that one get more fluid

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than that one and it's just like yeah they're called phenotypes okay so every

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child is different and then every like your parents are the same but your

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sisters different than you you know and her kids are different from your kids and yeah and even identical twins are

31:05

different so even if you split the plant it's still they're different right

31:11

that's right there's no there's no consistency to make one strain grow the

31:16

exact same every single time to the same THC the same two percent level the same yeah yeah the exact same screen

31:23

reproduce it through by cloning or cutting staking cut yeah right right where you're you're maintaining that

31:30

same string but other than that it's all just like I say the deck of cards up in the air see which ones

31:35

but even doing that it still is going to change from crop to crop even yeah

31:41

exactly and that was the thing and it's not even just crop to crop it's in the

31:46

same crop they're all from the same mother but this one is on that side and

31:51

it's further from the light and it has so it doesn't get as much light so the buds are not as big and then they don't

31:58

get as much Crystal so they don't have a higher THC and it's just like you're literally the same plant in the same

32:05

room in the same grow with the same food in the same light but it's it's not and honestly I think that's the beautiful

32:11

and frustrating thing about cannabis it's the environmental aspect where it's an environment dictates the way it

32:17

evolves right and the way it evolves within its own genetic that's right and

32:22

by name is hard to match strange strain by name the best thing is have it tested

32:29

and go by the terpene profiles because if you match the terpene profiles those

32:35

are like a fingerprint that's and it may not even be the same fingerprint it'll be similar yeah it might not be but it

32:41

will have the genetics of that same profile really what you would look for

32:48

we don't even talk about flavonoids and everything else that are in them as well but complicated plants it is yeah it is

32:55

the most typically complex plant on this planet and right now they probably only test for about between 9 and 20 terpenes

33:03

there are way more than that and if you talk to somebody who is a perfumer

33:12

thousands of terpenes because that's what their whole industry is based on is

33:18

the true beans for perfumes and scents so yeah essential oils incredible plant

33:24

it's just an amazing thing it is it is and I started doing a lot more towards

33:29

the end when I was medically looking at strengths and things

33:35

especially for Ross and his condition and then when I meet topicals looking at

33:41

the essential oils yeah the essential oils to help affect certain things in

33:48

the body and then we try to match certain terpene profiles for things is that the award-winning topical that's it

33:56

yeah yeah and it works so so you went from recreational to Medicinal to advocate

34:05

I'm like I that's where my heart lies is in the advocacy so let's talk a little bit about what you guys have done in the

34:10

advocacy space it's like let's start let's go back would you how'd you begin the advocacy

34:16

so [Music]

34:23

and other people who were about education then going to the shows like

34:29

the first treating yourself helping to set up helping to work in it meeting Michelle Rainey and some of the other

34:36

people who were I guess pioneers of the advocacy of it and just being involved

34:44

that way and helping out in the community and then wanting to become an information source that was real and was

34:51

accurate for people who came into the store and the store was a great venue where we could actually educate people

35:00

would come to us and say well what's really going on I heard this or heard that and

35:06

as we would go on Ross got more involved with the government and things too so we

35:13

could actually say no this is really what's happening what's going on and he

35:20

was then a patient too so really advocating in Medical Campus that's where my advocacy was definitely a

35:27

medical and um yeah I spent a lot of time on that I've done a lot of things most recently I've been on the steering

35:34

committee at Health Canada yeah who was in charge of going out and finding

35:39

patients that they could consult with because they built into um the Cannabis act okay when the

35:47

Cannabis Act was passed it it included the acnpr it all went into one bucket

35:52

and they said that I believe it was after five years yeah five years they would do a review and we're now in that

36:00

process now right now at doing that review so I was in because I had been

36:05

Consulting with health Canada before I actually went to Ottawa and attended the sessions there and actually talked to

36:11

the committee there when they were legalizing that way back uh so because I was on that list they called me back in

36:17

to be on the steering committee which was a really great experience um

36:27

um but yeah I mean that that was just one thing I mean there's court cases I mean uh Paul loon is a good friend of

36:33

mine um he's a great cannabis lawyer um uh he and Jack Lloyd

36:39

who's currently involved in another Charter challenge here in Nova Scotia for mushrooms for mushrooms and so

36:45

that's the this is their next thing now is is um yeah and they're they're so they're

36:51

going after that I think they feel like they did their job with cannabis and I think they did and but it still goes on

36:56

I mean um thank you it yeah I don't I don't think there's

37:02

ever going to be an end as and it's it's terrible to say that as long as there is

37:07

money to be made by the pharmaceutical industry they're going to try and shut things down as much as they can or

37:15

control it yeah but they can't due to the simple nature of the way cannabis is

37:20

they can't they they can't and that's why yeah so they'll put it down and

37:26

they'll say it's no good and all that stuff because they can't control it that's right yeah and I mean Ross is

37:33

thank goodness he's doctor and he his doctor had an intern a

37:39

student working there and he was giving them the whole Lowdown on how to prescribe yeah he was saying like you

37:45

know his Darkness concerned saying well like these people that want you know like all this and Ross is going look

37:52

nobody want needs 50 grams a day just to lose like that like no they're doing

38:00

something else with it you know like or whatever maybe if you're doing edible

38:07

like that but but so we've tried to educate him a little bit because before that his doctor would not prescribe no

38:13

he wouldn't prescribe because he told me he didn't know enough about it so after I heard that last time I went to see him

38:19

which was just a couple months ago um I I went in there with some topical cream yeah some oil and and I I was

38:26

gonna tell him all about cannabis how it's used medicinally and what he should look for and what he should look out for

38:33

and he just happened to have a um a new doctor with him shadowing him an intern

38:38

Doctor Who was you know just getting some on-the-job experience so I got I got to show them both what medical

38:44

cannabis is and I said you know like I'll just understand that you know if someone's gonna smoke it and inhale it

38:51

then you probably don't want to go over five grams a day right so prescribe five grams a day for the smokers if someone's

38:57

gonna be making oils and creams and things like that they're going to need a little more so maybe you go up to 15 you

39:03

know grams a day up you know on the high end to make those things right and and

39:09

he was like oh okay well that makes sense by the end of it he's saying so he's going online he's saying so so

39:14

where's this medical document online I want to download it so I can start so he's now going to start prescribing it

39:20

because yeah about it yeah to be able to do it so that was kind of like my last thing with

39:25

him before I left and came out here yeah because he he

39:35

is Methadone for the pain for the neuropathies he was on 16 different

39:41

Hills Plus at the highest fentanyl patch you can get

39:47

oh yeah all at the same time none of that no none it's all just

39:54

cannabis and the cream honestly it didn't work I the thing about opiates is

40:00

for me anyway and I think it's for a lot of people is that you start on a certain dose and it's a low dose and it works

40:06

for a couple of weeks and then it stops working it doesn't work anymore so you go back without any doctors not anymore

40:13

so stay up the dose right and then that works for a couple of weeks and then you go back and say well no that's not we're

40:18

going to go well here let me add this one too so now you're taking two and it just keeps going down until

40:25

eventually you're on the 100 milligram uh fentanyl patch and stuff like this

40:30

you know and you're just up to here with opiates and it's like and then it's still not working and then there's the

40:36

side effect pills that you have yeah and methadone now let's be all using

40:43

methadone at one point not to get off it but as a medicine for pain yeah yeah but

40:48

when it came to quitting methadone is not the answer it's just another opiate it's just a substitute the only way to

40:54

get off opiates is to quit yeah stop and and a lot of people have trouble doing that I honestly didn't have that much

41:01

trouble doing it I I made my mind up I made my mind up I mean everybody's has a different personality and and I think

41:07

there's something in the brain too that makes some people more addictive personalities than others right I just

41:13

never was an addictive personality and I had absolutely no trouble quitting opiates let me just tell everybody out

41:20

there I'm I'm special in that way you get on opiates good luck getting off of those because most people you need help

41:27

yeah you need help right I

41:33

finally found one that that um agreed that this was not the best approach to

41:39

the chronic pain and he supported my efforts to get off and he gave and he helped me with the dosages and you know

41:46

because you got to go down and down and down and down in the dosages right so we worked out a plan we executed the plan

41:51

and I've been opiate free for years from 15 years yeah that's awesome

41:57

time now yeah

42:04

yeah like peripheral neuropathy okay I don't know if you know what that is but it's when your your nerve nervous system

42:09

goes south on you okay so for me it's in in my feet all of a sudden my uh nerve

42:15

endings are telling me my feet are on fire right it's like standing in a campfire you just walk in there barefoot and

42:22

stand in there okay and if you can imagine what that burning would be like that's what I get 24 7. 365 and opiates

42:29

do zero nothing okay guess what works the cream

42:36

the award-winning cream five yes yeah five minutes I get like 80 relief so

42:43

when you're trying to fall asleep when you're on fire yeah and you can't because you're on fire you put that cream on and in five

42:51

minutes your sleep and that's it you're good and it meant so much in my life

42:56

and you don't get high right because the the blood in your skin has already been

43:01

to your brain right so that blood is not going to your brain so the THC and all

43:07

the cannabinoids is absorbing is not going to get you high so you can slather on topical cream that's like just chock

43:14

full of THC and never get high yeah right yeah yeah and then Timmy uses

43:20

topicals yeah I was using I recently recently done some work on my hand what

43:25

uh what you were talking about there about the burning also and I realized that um over the last five years now that

43:30

I've been talking about cannabis you know most of my uh religious contacts

43:36

have cut me off because I'm you know I'm probably going to hell now but I could bring that tropical cream with me and at

43:42

least only experience 20 of health so that's nice yes yes well you know what

43:47

um find someone who's got a condition a a pain of some kind and just say here

43:52

try this cream you know and not tell them what's in it yeah so what's what what's the award

43:58

award-winning award-winning who who offered that award because I've won of a lot of awards and a lot of them are

44:04

stuff that my son my son Drew up little things certificate sayings

44:10

um and I guess the last lift

44:16

uh Expo where they actually did judging of different cannabis strains and uh

44:25

topicals different extracts things like that were they actually but we have I

44:31

have a was myself and two other people that we developed the recipe

44:37

and we just said I wanted to start making creams so I went out and bought

44:42

all kinds of books on how to combine different Butters and things like that and we started infusing it

44:51

and developed a technique and worked it out with ourselves but we decided Well

44:56

let's just try it let's um and we we entered it through Genoa

45:04

um who's now the head of normal Kingston 420 remember 420 they were actually running the lift

45:12

uh judging and competition or doing it for Lyft

45:17

so we submitted all of our our entries and little jars and things and we

45:23

submitted one that was in like a deodorant role tube and a cream so we we came in third

45:31

and fourth for the first time and we'd only been doing it for about three months

45:36

when we won our award and we have a nice glass Award with our names

45:45

etched in it and things but yeah so that's when we won the award in over time I have geared

45:53

um when I had my hips replaced uh the second time I made up cream specific

46:01

with different uh ingredients so I wouldn't get as much bruising so it would help with nerve pain and I with uh

46:10

um that was with some of the carrier oils and then the essential oils doing it for Ross a lot of the way let's turn

46:17

that way so yeah hold on

46:36

we bought a crazy house here yeah yeah that's fine so it is it is it hasn't been lived in

46:43

for 10 years no no no yeah but people that built it

46:50

they had a little bit of a drinky drinky but they alternated days so that both of

46:56

them weren't drinky drinkers want to drink one day and the other one drink the other day and then well

47:03

somebody's response yeah and everything's handmade in here all the all the knobs

47:09

they're all hand carved and sanded down but they the guy wasn't really a

47:15

carpenter exactly he just okay everything's put together with nails

47:21

everything's Nails yeah Nails Nails everywhere nails

47:26

yeah maybe he didn't have a drill yeah

47:32

just a hammer I guess that's like uh lots of people want to uh grow cannabis

47:37

that it doesn't necessarily mean they're a grower like right you don't have to tell them you're going to learn you know

47:44

you got to learn somewhere right

47:51

mildew and that's usually due to your ventilation issues or you got it from someone get it from somebody that's not

47:57

an order if you take cuttings and you treat them once with something and then you sell them

48:04

whether it's be through the reserve it's going to come back it's it's in the

48:09

plant I call it the herpes of cannabis and so they put them out there

48:15

the wind picks up the spores now that more people are growing outside well

48:20

it's most often indoors yeah you get it indoors and it's enclosed right so the Spurs outside they

48:27

go in the wind and it's like a great atmosphere of earth right when you get it in a room it stays in that room and

48:33

it infects all your other plants so then somebody takes a cutting that's been infected it's a forever disease I call it the herpes of cannabis yeah because

48:40

you don't always have a sore when you have herpes but you're gonna get one right you're gonna get one right and

48:46

probably Builders like that you could look so I've heard you can try you can try cutting off the

48:51

leaves or the powdery mildew it still doesn't do it it's genetic it's right in here I know I did I did that I made that

49:00

mistake at the bottom of the plant started getting powdery mildew and I was like [ __ ] so I took the top of the plant

49:05

and I cut it and I rooted it and I put it in two trays look at it you see the

49:10

face I love that when when uh you know or

49:16

maybe you got it from someone Ross like you definitely got it from someone I was like oh I remember Ross's rule yes

49:37

one one time you took something and it was because it was something special from somebody you trusted and even then

49:44

he quarantined it for like I can't even tell you how long he's like I don't care it's not going in my room

49:53

yeah I'm gonna give you hell if I get powder rebuilding from you yeah yeah

49:58

it's just like if you you know if you had relations with someone that had herpes and they didn't tell you and now

50:04

all of a sudden you got the sore and you're going like hey you're like I don't trust you yeah yeah see I that's why anytime anybody

50:11

would ever ask me a question about like growing I'd be like send an email with photos to BMA Hydroponics they will help

50:19

you they'll send you a response yeah yeah so what obviously the plant is

50:25

complex and we've talked about the growing problems and and and just the the fine balance that it takes I mean

50:31

you have the same flat plants and the same tent and just based on positioning so what would you say what what is the

50:38

kind of main issues that if people could just grasp a couple of these foundational

50:43

issues they at least have a better shot at growing wealth

50:48

I'm pay attention to them you don't just run downstairs

50:53

throw water on them every three days or so and think that oh they're gonna grow

50:59

and they're going to be fine no pH is really important

51:04

check your plants because you if you catch Things Early your chances of

51:10

success are much greater but always pH your water I've had so many people say

51:15

to me now I never pH and everything's fine well you know what it would be so much better if you did pH and you're

51:23

going to if you it's like having somebody who has an underlying condition

51:29

they're more susceptible to anything that comes along if your plant is

51:35

healthy as a healthy immune system it's going to be able to fight off small

51:40

little things like texture fluctuations like your fan quits one night well

51:45

you're not probably going to get powdery mildew or something you know a

51:50

fungal problem or something because your plant is healthy and can put up with environmental stresses so just watch

51:58

your plants prune them don't let them get too thick you want to be able to see through them so that they get good

52:04

ventilation that was hard as a new grower I just want to say that is hard

52:10

because you feel like you're hurting your plant but trust me you're helping

52:15

the plant because you're allowing more lights to get to the bottom you're also allowing more airflow and avoiding

52:22

powdery mildew so that's right make sure you prune it yeah like you can then use the leaves

52:28

for art or juicing or salad or it's not a waste sure yeah and because

52:34

you're not spraying things on them other than maybe water occasionally is a is a

52:41

Mist then you can eat them just don't just don't go Whole Hog if you're not

52:46

used to that because they have a lot of chlorophyll in them so just take you know and add four or five to six leaves

52:52

in your salad you know people juice them you have to start slow

52:57

but yes and it's it's it's really good for you it is it's been here

53:06

since the beginning of man and I'm not sure who came first it's like the Chicken and the Egg I'm not sure if

53:12

cannabis came first and then man found it or if men did it yeah together we did

53:19

it we did it together we have so many

53:28

people seven but we have them we have the most reason there's a reason we do

53:34

so it's been yeah and it's symbionic with us we

53:40

have a relationship with this plant over and have four since the beginning of

53:45

time yeah yeah so and we've I mean like USI the the Iceman over five thousand

53:52

years yeah yeah they found them Frozen in the ice cannabis medicine

53:59

really yeah yeah I was like 10 000 years so you've been frozen something yeah but he had a

54:06

little sack of cannabis on his belt so they've used it for medicinal purposes and everything else for

54:14

thousands of years the first real written prescription was from China that

54:20

they found and it was over 7 000 years ago and it was for menstrual cramps for women

54:26

so you know and I mean one of the first prescriptions everything you need to

54:32

take more cannabis [Laughter]

54:37

so so um for people who who are um religious and

54:43

and religion I don't knock that at all if you're a Believer you're a Believer but understand God created this plan

54:51

yeah it's good here and he didn't create it um for you to say don't do that

54:57

okay he it's here for a reason and we've had a relationship with it for a long

55:02

long time as humans and as long as we've been had religion we've had cannabis

55:09

and uh cannabis got a bad rap you know moving forward and um and and

55:14

religion I mean they don't like anything they want you to drink booze they don't want you to take cannabis they want to

55:20

do anything and that's fine you know and and religious people have their right to practice their religion and believe what

55:25

they want to believe but we also have the right to believe what we like and and um and understand what we understand

55:32

because religion does not Embrace science as

55:38

much as possibly I might okay so for me it's about science it's not about belief

55:44

and no that's finally being done all the science right to prove a lot of the things that all the anecdotal evidence

55:52

where people who A Lot Like Us started out recreationally

55:57

and then we found like hey this also helps you know I can move my hands and

56:02

things a lot better from arthritis than I could before or or things it's but

56:07

it's now being proven it's not just anecdotal evidence now they're actually doing studies and that's probably even

56:15

though a lot of people were against legalization because of what it did to a

56:21

lot of markets to a lot of things it's the only way they've now been actually

56:27

able to study it and find some of the properties safe or PTSD things like that

56:34

because it's you know before that in order to get a special

56:39

permit from the government to study the Cannabis and it had to have been produced under

56:46

strict regulations they still have some of these issues in

56:52

the states they need to legalize it federally but in Mississippi there's this area that's courted off it's about

56:59

the size of a football field where they grow different strains of cannabis just

57:04

to send out for medical research so it's it's weird looking though but it's got

57:11

this huge fence with you know concertina barbed wire on the top and everything

57:16

but yeah well the science the science is certainly part of the like we talk about

57:22

people's stories breaking down stigma the science has tremendously um helped me I've as I've learned more

57:28

and heard people and read more and say like oh my goodness science and the sad thing is is somewhere along the way even

57:35

though we didn't have science as it's maybe being done today but a long time

57:40

ago people had this knowledge that they had gained through multiple tests along

57:45

the way may not have been in journals and and written all these things but they figured it out and then the

57:51

pressure came down uh cut everybody tried to push it away and that knowledge almost seemed to be lost even though

57:59

people were still continuing to use it secretly um all this all this knowledge has to be

58:05

refound and redistributed now somewhere along the way it got just yeah it's kind of sad wasn't the government using

58:12

cannabis privately like secretly prescribing certain people yeah

58:19

like they knew a long time ago they just suppressed all this information because they didn't want it out there yes no and

58:27

and also figure out how to monetize it yet that's right and a lot of it came

58:32

from that because the the Alcohol Tobacco industry and actually I just say it but the

58:40

forestry and paper industry still plays a huge part in in doing that

58:48

there was I was listening to a show on CBC it happened to be and one lady was

58:54

writing and going why is there not hemp toilet paper like why don't we have hemp toilet paper and they're saying well it

59:02

takes for one paper mill to to switch over and be able to run

59:07

hemp or cannabis it's all a hand um it would take 70

59:14

000 acres to run one and in Canada right now there are fewer than a hundred

59:21

permits for hemp Farms it has to go through Health Canada but

59:29

it's agriculture Canada it's the forestry the RCMP but it's the forestry Industries

59:35

[Music] we want to still we want to cut down

59:40

trees and Destroy forests and right destroy the environment it doesn't make sense which is so heavy

59:48

in fibers that you could just displace all of this tree removal but there's big money in

59:55

are they waiting for all of the trees to be gone because they do do they not

1:00:00

realize that it takes hundreds of years for trees to grow and one year for

1:00:06

cannabis to grow not even like this big country we got a lot of trees right yeah

1:00:11

it's a big and there's money

1:00:16

but what what you're what you're suggesting is that uh the government and uh

1:00:23

um companies uh only do stuff to serve to serve their to serve their own

1:00:28

purposes that's conspiracy level that's that can't be true it is absolutely it's

1:00:34

not it is a conspiracy and it's real and they are doing it and they have been doing it but it's now getting to a point

1:00:41

where they can't put their thumb on it anymore it's getting more and more into it and like Deb said it would take a lot

1:00:47

of Acres but more and more acres of hemp which is what you use for fiber

1:00:52

um it's getting bigger and bigger all the time as it becomes bigger the equipment that's required to process it

1:01:00

down into the other products like paper and things like that um are are improving too but it seems to

1:01:06

be a slow gradual process because the forestry industry keeps trying to push

1:01:11

it back down right because they want their money out of the trees and they're clear-cutting Forest isn't that fun I

1:01:18

mean do we really want to clear cut all our forests or do we want to grow this renewable plant I wonder if the fashion

1:01:25

industry is in on it too because yes you know have fiber clothing it's cool well

1:01:30

you know like hemp can do so much you can and hemp is actually for because

1:01:37

countries like Australia and now it's seeming to be all over where the world's

1:01:42

on fire and the UVS are so high hemp actually filters out more UVS from the

1:01:49

Sun than cotton does than even silk does so you know hemp clothing

1:01:56

would help in countries to help curb some of the UV exposure as well when you're you're out on the beach and

1:02:03

frying so you know all I heard in what Deb just said was go and plant cannabis

1:02:09

everywhere everywhere there you go everywhere go put it in you know the public parks just just go plant it make

1:02:16

sure it's low THC though so if like you know people get their hands on it they're not going to get too

1:02:27

if you develop an allergy to the raw cannabis due to the acids that are in

1:02:33

the leaves I have that I'm highly allergic to touching it raw yeah unless

1:02:38

it's fried not a problem but when it's fresh yeah I have to wear gloves long sleeves because I break out in blisters

1:02:46

if if it touches me too much and that's from years of picking

1:02:52

in the field and D4 you know defoliating and all of those things but yeah that

1:02:59

would be terrible can I can I bring up just one one quick subject because I know we're probably running out of time here yeah I've been involved um also in

1:03:06

court challenges um most recently with Paul Lewin the lawyer

1:03:11

um it was called the Wernicke at Al versus uh his majesty the king that's

1:03:17

the first one it used to be all her majesty the queen yes and this is the

1:03:22

first case that was found to be uh versus his majesty the king so hm 2K

1:03:30

um we won and it was all about dispensaries these guys have been running

1:03:35

um what at the time were illegal dispensaries in Saskatchewan um for medical so it's all about medical

1:03:41

cannabis and medical cannabis dispensaries so they took it all the way to the Supreme to the superior court and

1:03:49

it has not been challenged to go to Supreme Court so quite often these cases get to the superior court and if the

1:03:54

Superior Court finds it to be a violation of our Charter rights they leave it alone and they don't they don't want to take it to Supreme Court because

1:04:00

it's just yeah it's a waste of time so anyway we won so it's about dispensaries that means that Health Canada right now

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going through this review which was built into the Cannabis act now has to consider

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medical cannabis dispensaries so moving forward look for medical cannabis

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dispensaries yes they are coming and as far as some amazing yeah are worried

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they are never going to be able to take away the medical patient's right to grow

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their own medicine they can't it was found in the Parker

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uh decision back in 1999 so many Court decisions it's it's never going to

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disappear even with some of the others with uh judge Manson when he did the

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injunction and also with judge Phelan saying there had to be a program created

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for Access that all goes hand in hand no matter what they do they'll never be

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able to take away your right to grow your own medicine that's good to know I know that was a

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concerned like you said it was the access that they said once you know

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you can grow but that's because there's no access to cannabis and now as we know there's more than enough access to

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cannabis there is been recreational right who they want you to go into a recreational store by recreational

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Cannabis pay and excise tax which is a syntax right yeah canvases medicine is

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not a sin no I'm sorry and you should be able and you can order it online you know but there's no in-person access so

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yeah case was all about in-person access and moving forward because we won this

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case and and I reiterated it with with health Canada because we had some consultation sessions just recently

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um where out of those consultations there was a selection of a steering committee of which I was chosen to be on

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that too so this new thing is going to hopefully include the dispensaries and

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we're going to put this all behind us and we're going to start acting like adults and and and and realizing that

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there needs to be special access in person yes for medical cannabis with

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someone behind the counter who knows what Medical Campus is what it does what it's good for who the consult with

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people you know they don't have to be a doctor no

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that's where we need we need um like the fact that we have recreational stores

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before we had medical stores and or sorry pharmacies um and we've had a medical system before

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we had a recreational system is frustrating for patients so it will be

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nice for people to um like we've talked about it too the biggest problem with dispensaries

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currently is that you can't get information one way or the other really yeah

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they're not allowed I know right yeah yeah we're both we're both registered um

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cancel so like Timmy Timmy when he did it he's like wow there's more about

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um like going to jail or what like what not to do and how to avoid going to jail

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yes it was all it was all the restrictions of of what what could what bad could happen to you and uh by the

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way uh you can't actually share any information and that you're learning here with anybody you come across

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you know it's it's crazy and I mean if you somebody comes to you and says yeah

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I get anxiety or I have trouble sleeping or I have this you know you can't sit

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there and say you know what you need something with pinene in it as you know

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so this is destroying Time Warp or this one you know that we didn't help you

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right but yeah we did it at the store because we had no such regulations when we sold the seeds right and we would get

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different things in for people to help them like we had carried pentatonic low THC High CBD seeds and then the bank

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found out yeah it wasn't the pleasure town so Bank found out we were selling cannabis seeds our bank accounts down

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isn't that nice so uh yeah and it's

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it's always there's all kinds of places that sell seeds but if your bank finds out yourself to this day

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well there's clearly there's clearly lots that has been done and lots that it

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still needs to be done across the entire industry and um I I can certainly tell

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now though um I I not that I doubt MJ but you know she says we need to have uh Devin Ross

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on and I was like okay but now I know why and we can we could easily we could

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easily talk um for another for another hour absolutely um and uh which we'll have to do in

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person because yes we'll take that trip out there but

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especially for the ice cream the moon Mist yeah yeah there you go what

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um no MJ would say that she would often with growing and and we'll kind of close off and on this you know she would

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always you know be like hey you need to talk to to Devin Ross um people still do

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can people still reach out to you I mean we have account on the bottom here we've got BMA Hydroponics for connecting on

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Instagram but um are there ways to do that there's there's that and also for Growers our

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YouTube channel BMA Hydroponics is still up and going go to that the last indoor

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grow Ross and I did we I'm a fan of ebb and flow that's how I learned but we did

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growing in Cocoa on an ebb and flow table in pots we grew nine plants and

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yielded in a four by four table and we yielded 2.8 pounds dry using two 630

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watt CMH lights

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and there's multiple methods of growing indoors and multiple methods of growing

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outdoors and it's all taken in episodes right from yeah

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for the taking of The Cutting all the way to the Harvest so every one of them is a trip down a different Road on how

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to programs so if you want to know the BMA hydroponics on YouTube and you'll find it all right there yeah yep

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do Instagram and I'll answer your questions he's not so good on Instagram I am but yeah

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somebody deleted my Facebook profile okay I know

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so if somebody wanted like the recipe or like to to talk to you about topicals too they can just reach out through Instagram yes all right yes so Instagram

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is the way uh we will put a link to the YouTube channel uh in the descriptions both in audio and video versions okay

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um dab and Ross it is it has been an absolute pleasure uh hopefully we can we can make a trip out there and I can meet

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you guys in person um just thank you so much for joining us today I'm Jenny final word sir

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thanks so much take care take care [Music]