The Noobie And The Doobie
The Noobie And The Doobie
We Need More Women-led Cannabis Conversation | Amanda & Annie - The High Ladies Podcast | The Noobie and The Doobie | OTS #5
Amanda & Annie are the hosts of the "High Ladies Podcast": a lady-led chat about cannabis and life. On this episode, the High Ladies join us to discuss the stigma attached to motherhood & cannabis, how the terminology needs to change, navigating cannabis use within a religious community, the art of listening...and more!
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Cannabis model Marijane Baker & non-consuming comedian Timmy Boyle have joined forces to explore the wonderful world of weed...from both sides. Be sure to subscribe, turn on notifications, like, comment & share! And please connect on social media & consider becoming a patron to help support this podcast experience. Thank you so much!
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ABOUT THE PODCAST:
He’s from the Church. She’s from the garden...of Weeden. They’re from different worlds with the same goal. To engage & explore the cannabis culture...from both sides.
Join medicinal user, model & advocate Marijane Baker and non-consumer, former youth pastor & current clean comedian Timmy Boyle for a unique, funny & educational look into the magical, controversial and, for some, forbidden world of weed.
Timmy & Mj (a real life “mixed” couple) bring their cannabis pillow talk into the public domain as well as inviting guests, from inside & outside the weed community, to help educate, entertain & inspire the other noobies & doobies who are tuning in.
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this podcast is for adults only should
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may contain nuts
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hey everybody and welcome back to
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another episode of the newbie and the
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doobie my name is timmy i am the newbie
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mary jane i am the doobie we are very
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excited today to have on the spot with
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us amanda and annie from the hi ladies
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podcast anna annie and amanda i have
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messed those names up all morning trying
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to figure them out how are you guys
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doing thank you for joining us
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thanks for having us i think we're doing
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really well i'm doing really well this
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morning you can't you can't speak you
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can't speak for amanda or man annie wait
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hold on let's do this okay amanda so if
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you're listening
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uh the one on the right
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is amanda
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does that work no they're listening to
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me
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all right
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okay if you have audio if you have
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stereo earbuds
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listen to which side everyone's on um
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anyways uh i am i'm the newbie that's
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the doobie you can call me timmy you can
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call her mary jane um
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talk to us about
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uh before we even get into the podcast
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but talk to us just about your own
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personal journeys i had a chance to
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listen to your very first episode i
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actually stopped part way through
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because you guys are in season three
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right now
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um i stopped partway through the first
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episode because there was a lot of
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information starting to come out because
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it's kind of like your origin story
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and i was like oh no wait wait wait i
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want to hear the origin story
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but i learned enough to realize that you
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actually started at a very similar place
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to us in terms of you're coming from
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very different backgrounds um and that's
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that's of course our our stories as well
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and then um
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as it kept on going i'm like oh my god i
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think we could have a lot in common but
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then i stopped it and i listened to more
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recent ones because i was like i want to
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hear the origin story so talk to us
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about how you guys
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let's go how you guys got together and
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then we'll look at the actual got into
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cannabis in general but how did you guys
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connect um and the whole generation of
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amanda and annie deciding we should do
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something together
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well it really started it started on the
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tarmac at the at the elementary school
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when on the tarmac dropping our kids off
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to go to go to school here
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oh that's so sorry timmy timmy
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homeschooled his children so i didn't
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know the idea yeah i didn't know about
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the tarmac lingo the the tarmac yes is
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that it it's a real social hub
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okay all right
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as much as much as much as children
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socialize during recess on that tarmac
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parents find
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other parents on that like and you can
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feel it like first few days of school
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you're you're scoping out you're like
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who do i
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yeah
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who's cool
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exactly okay
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and on one particular day we were making
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almost 300 hot dogs i think for the
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school
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and there was about five moms in this
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tiny kitchen cooking all these hot dogs
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so you can imagine the smell somehow we
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got talking about cannabis and it turned
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out that all the moms there that are
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volunteering their time
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you know the real good old moms that are
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on the pta
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all of us were
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using consuming had something to do with
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pot yeah with cannabis yeah well i
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wanted something to do with cannabis on
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that day i think it was i had just
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gotten my first job in the cannabis
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industry and i had shared with you that
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i was doing that and somebody else
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overheard and was like what's that about
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cannabis and then all of a sudden it we
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closed the door to the hallway right we
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were just like the kids can't hear this
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conversation
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and we spent the next
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i don't know hour stuffing hot dog buns
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and talking about groceries growing
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trimming
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and amanda and i realized there's a
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whole world of moms out there
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who are in the closet who are pretending
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not discussing these things
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not sharing their own experiences for
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fear of the stigma that's right
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so then we started having
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phone calls in the evening after we put
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our kids to bed and we'd both be smoking
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a joint we would be having these you
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know
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somewhat high-level conversations about
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what was happening um you know in the
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world around us just as moms in camp
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like that are consumers of cannabis and
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then we kind of said we should be
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recording these conversations i bet
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other people would be interested
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then we were locked down so we said hey
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you got nowhere to go let's do this
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let's do it
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i love awesome and hi ladies was born
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yeah well now i feel i feel bad now
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because uh i started homeschooling my
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kids because uh number one i did not
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want to get up early to take them it was
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pure convenience and number two i don't
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like people but but now you kind of you
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know made me feel like i just missed out
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on something
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well not really you're here in the
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cannabis community now and that's that's
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these people right okay so when you come
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through that's exactly it right and i
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mean i i was pretty new to barry like i
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didn't have any friends
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at all my husband and i and our first
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child had moved up to barry from
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newmarket which is you know it's only
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like 45 minute drives but
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i suddenly was in this new space where i
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knew nobody
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and it's funny the tarmac is a funny
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place because you think you know people
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and you don't know people
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like you have no idea what they're
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actually like because you only get like
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four and a half minutes
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at the beginning of the day and at the
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end of the day
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right and then you start hanging out and
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then you gotta be like
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gotta find a new way okay
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the tarmac to me sounds uh sounds a lot
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like uh growing up in the church which
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was my background because uh everybody
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was just like everyone thought they knew
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everybody and i i'm fine you know there
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are probably a lot of people within my
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my church community that probably use
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cannabis but never could bring it up
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because of the stigma attached to it but
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it's very easy to pretend to be somebody
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for one hour every sunday um so it's
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that same sort of thing you got to kind
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of start to deep dive and next thing you
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know people start revealing things
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you're like oh choose cannabis yep but i
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would never ever bring that up yep no
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you're you're totally right and the the
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church is such a great analogy for it i
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remember the like one of the first
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conversations that i had had in a bible
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study before entering the industry of
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cannabis but knowing that cannabis was
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about to become
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more than just a recreational thing for
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me
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and i remember sitting in and i think we
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were talking
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you know what i can't remember i still
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have the notes from it but i had said
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like well we can all appreciate the fact
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that jesus smoked weed
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and that's what like like in a bible
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study of like 25 people and
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that was the moment that like
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everybody in my church had sort of
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changed their perspective of me
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but at the end of that bible study i had
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like 10 people reach out to me
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and they're like i'm sure i didn't have
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your back in the meet like in yeah yeah
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but i totally agree with you
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and that's when i knew that like i could
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be the change in my church
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wow so i have conversations
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all the time with my pastor about you
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know
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you know she's like i don't agree with
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you and i always say we don't have to
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agree that's the beautiful thing about
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conversation we can have different
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perspectives different outlooks on the
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way that we do it but still
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listen and appreciate and you know
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be friends at the end of the
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conversation
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so you are you are still involved in a
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church right now i uh not so much since
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covet i've really because my church is
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so far away from us okay um that i i've
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taken a back seat but uh
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yeah no i i still i chat with my pastor
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all the time i'm here on something i've
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never understood that when people have a
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church because you said you i'm assuming
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your church was is in new market because
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yes we were and now you've moved it's
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only 45 minutes but you still 45 minutes
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on sunday because i'm i'm not really
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like i believe that if you believe in
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god god is everywhere um so like
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couldn't you just change churches and
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people are like
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you just changed
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that's where the community aspect comes
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in right yeah that's exactly it becomes
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that community aspect right so when you
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change church like here in barrie i've
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probably gone to
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a dozen or more churches trying to find
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that community yeah and you just you
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i don't know
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it can be hard sometimes that's that's
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why
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yeah that's why i was in this i was in
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the same church for 35 years um and it
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didn't matter you know people came and
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came and kept but this community was
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there i'm interested though in
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particular
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about um
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about your status right now
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because when as soon as i came on to do
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this podcast and started this you know
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back in april
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um i've been touring uh the last decade
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as a professional um comedian
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and a lot of my work was done in the
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church in the church world because
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that's where my initial connections were
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and that's where i do a clean brand of
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comedy
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um and just by doing the podcast just by
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standing on the on the advocacy side
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without even being a consumer
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um i have received specific emails and
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text messages um basically saying
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you know i've lost work like like going
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forward people used to hire me friends
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who used to have my back
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people who
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you know have distanced themselves um
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just by me being positive in the space
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so it's it's interesting to hear
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somebody who is currently um involved in
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a church community because as much as
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i've had people who have embraced and we
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have people who watch and listens to the
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show
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that are in the church they don't
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consume but they have kids that consume
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they have parents that consume and so
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they're interested in my perspective of
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that but i've also received the
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um
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the negative backlash as well you've
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even had somebody question your your
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faith
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in in as if oh yeah i could be like
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going directly into hell just by doing
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this
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as if being an advocate for cannabis
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means that you you know god doesn't love
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you anymore that you don't love god
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sorry is that right i've been questioned
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about that yet like i don't understand
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because i grew up
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i grew up being able to accept whatever
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i chose to believe
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now within reason you know if i said you
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know the dogs created everything
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my picture is a possibility yeah i mean
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it is but my parents were always like
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well show me the facts that back that up
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and that's why i personally had problems
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within the church because i kept asking
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questions that nobody could answer
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and when nobody could answer the
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questions
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it was kind of like when i first i
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smoked my first joint and i'm like
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this isn't that bad why is this illegal
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and then my second and third and fourth
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and i realized very quickly that
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the facts didn't quite
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you know they didn't quite present
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themselves in the way that i was
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experiencing it so
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that was kind of where my journey
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started it's like something's wrong
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marianne and i have a similar journey
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and timmy and you have a similar journey
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i grew up in a very non-secular house
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where my parents were also like fine but
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you believe in religion there's stuff in
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all religions that you might be able to
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resonate with you yeah we're not going
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to
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feed you one
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view
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and i grew up in a house where people my
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mother consumed cannabis
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um other members of my family to the
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same candice so it was never
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uh looked upon in a dark way
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that's what kind of makes the
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conversation so interesting between us
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and i think between you two as well yeah
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is
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you can come from it from such different
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views
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from different worlds and still find
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pomegranates that's it that's it and two
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too many people though like like we
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talked about you know raising the bar
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um
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breaking the stigma and having the
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conversation and
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the other the breaking the stigma
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happens from having the conversation and
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there's just too many people that want
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to draw
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the the straight divide and literally
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will cut and shun now and for every
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person that's like that there's someone
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else you know who is accepting and
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willing to have that conversation but um
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i think that that's what what yeah it's
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just encouraging to us to see you know
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to see you guys out there because
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there's a lot of times where um in the
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cannabis uh world of communication where
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the conversation is trying to be had
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it's it's often people who are from the
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same world and so they speak the same
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language and
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really what we need is these
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conversations so even though you both
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now consume i'm correct in saying that
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um
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the
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the fact is is that your stories though
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open up a
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relatableness with a community of people
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that might not consume
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but can understand your story or can
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understand your story
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and that that's incredibly helpful to to
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helping us all come in and have that
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conversation together
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or just giving people
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excuse me
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the uh
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the chance and the to hear other
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people's stories people are more likely
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to share their own stories go oh i'm not
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alone the best notes and letters we get
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are from people who say i've been in the
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closet for so long
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and i use it because i have anxiety i
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can't sleep it makes me a better mother
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i i have nausea but i hide it because i
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don't want people to see me as that
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person
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but hearing the high ladies speak about
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it as functioning human beings
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makes these people who write us and go
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i'm going to out myself i'm not going to
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be afraid i am going to be proud of who
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i am right which is so liberating and i
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mean we've even got letters from people
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who say um
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i'm in the closet i'm still in the
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closet i was inspired by your podcast
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i'm going to give you this story but
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please don't share my name just in case
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and you know what
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that's fine like i remember reading
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those stories and being like oh that's
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so funny i got really high once too and
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i threw up all over the place you know
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like and when we share those stories it
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makes it okay
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to you know
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to do dumb things it makes it okay to
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say
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i do this and i'm not ashamed of it like
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there's been so much shame that has been
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associated with a bloody planet yeah
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like
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really
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well i think the problem is is people
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look at us like we're potheads
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first
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um
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no
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we are
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doctors and lawyers and teachers and
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comedians and educators
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that just happen
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to like
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smoking pot whether it's recreationally
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or as a choice medicinally rather than
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other medications
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um we need to stop seeing people this is
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where i like to break the stigma i
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started working in a glass store and
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90 of the people walked in and were
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blown away at the fact that there was a
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younger
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well put together
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you know
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pretty looking girl behind the counter
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when they're like i expected to see a
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bum
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like well i'm not going to pull my pants
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down but uh you know like i can help you
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purchase something
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yeah and it goes back to that stigma and
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that's amanda and i talk a lot about the
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language you know pothead it has such
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negative
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connotations of denotations i'm a
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cannabis user i'm not a stoner
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all of those words have such nastiness
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and something that i get a lot
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especially when the podcast first came
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out and i was outing myself within the
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community is people going
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you smell pot
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it really looks like you smoked pot
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right and i was like what should i look
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like like do i need a face tattoo or
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like what's why don't i look like a
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cannabis user
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yeah well because a cannabis user is a
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20 to 35 year old unkempt male sitting
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in a couch with a bag of potato chips on
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his stomach with no drive and no passion
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actually right you should know what the
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that doesn't
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no you should know what the sign for
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being able to indicate a cannabis
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consumer what are the side effects one
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is not visible dry mouth and red eyes
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so
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if chances are if i've got red eyes or
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it might be high i might be or i might
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not have right
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in the air or maybe you were just crying
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because you were told you're gonna be
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locked inside with the children for the
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next month exactly right
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right there's also advising too and i
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think a lot of us used to i used to have
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like my cannabis case and then i would
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have my after cannabis case which came
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with like hand sanitizer and perfume and
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gum and perfume and
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all the stuff to like because
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god before you smoke you put your hair
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all back for your hair your hair doesn't
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yep exactly tie your hair up and then
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you know drop it back down little spritz
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and you're good to go
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it's amazing how much people have to
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dance around like i'm just coming into
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the space i mean
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legalization the entrance of his face
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was pretty much just before legalization
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i and
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um we're not having this conversation if
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mary jane
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was um
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i was like you don't know not anybody
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that's unfunctionable like like she was
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functional and it blew my mind when i
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found out that she
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smoked weed and she was highly
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functioning and you know
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good and kind and you know like it was
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just it was blew everything that i
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thought about of what i would think of
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because in the church it was it was
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disinformation or misinformation it was
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i had no idea really what was out there
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um
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when i found cannabis myself
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i found cannabis when i was a teenager
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and i ended up leaving the church
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because of
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all of the the negativity that i was
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receiving from that and
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weirdly enough because this isn't
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something that usually that often
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happens anymore but i came back to the
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church
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so i had almost 10 years where i had
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nothing to do with my church and then
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came back and i was heavily involved
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with my church for about five or six
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years and then
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um
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you know
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heavily involved and then and then
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stepped away and then have stepped even
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further away but like uh mary jane was
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saying earlier
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um
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or maybe it was timmy that said it but
19:07
like god is everywhere and like you
19:10
don't have to attend church to be
19:12
spiritual
19:14
right
19:15
and that for me was a big thing was that
19:17
i don't have to to do that but you
19:20
originally you originally stepped out
19:22
maybe not primarily but um the cannabis
19:25
issue was a breaking point
19:28
of some sort yeah it was a huge one
19:29
because it was still very illegal
19:31
right um and there was you know a lot of
19:34
those things happening
19:36
um but i think stigma
19:40
stigma forces us into our own little
19:43
closets and forces us into to doing and
19:46
behaving in ways that we would never
19:49
dream of doing
19:50
and like we stigmatize anything and we i
19:54
like i can show you the examples of that
19:55
right um
19:57
but when we
20:00
when we allow ourselves to be put into
20:02
that space we're no longer like we're
20:04
not
20:05
advocating for ourselves and we're not
20:07
advocating for
20:09
whatever it is we feel so passionately
20:10
about or for the other you know millions
20:13
of other people out there
20:15
who are of the same mindset
20:17
so when like if i can break a stigma
20:19
even if it's just with one person in one
20:21
moment
20:22
then when that person interacts with
20:24
somebody else
20:25
then you know the hope is is that you
20:28
remember all of those other times
20:31
where you met somebody who you didn't
20:32
expect to consume cannabis
20:35
um so and words are important i i sorry
20:38
i did want to i this is like my favorite
20:40
topic right now that words are important
20:44
she's obsessed i i'm literally obsessed
20:46
with how important words are and i think
20:48
it's because i value kindness
20:50
so much um and especially kind words but
20:54
words are really important so i have
20:56
removed pothead stoner
21:00
marijuana
21:01
weed i've like pretty much eliminated
21:03
those words and i'm speaking only with
21:06
cannabis
21:07
because i i listening to your very first
21:10
episode i i'm glad you brought this up
21:12
about the works i was eventually gonna
21:13
get down the route one of you who had
21:16
had mentioned dope almost within the
21:18
first couple sentences and you had a
21:20
very brief uh interaction about um the
21:24
use of the use of dope and that that
21:26
terminology and so
21:28
early even just in our conversation here
21:31
um you both seemed very clear on using
21:33
cannabis as the word and i decided i
21:36
thought oh that that's really
21:37
interesting so
21:39
when did that when did that sort of
21:41
begin to change because because like one
21:43
of your first words on this podcast was
21:46
using calling it dope
21:48
and
21:49
it probably was shortly
21:50
probably shortly after that first
21:52
episode within the first four or five
21:54
episodes um
21:56
we became very aware of language and we
21:59
definitely in the first you know half of
22:00
the first season say words like
22:02
marijuana dope and as we became more
22:06
um
22:08
conscious of how the words shake the
22:11
stigma how the two play together
22:14
we've really made a conscious effort to
22:17
call ourselves out on it when we make
22:19
the slip because it's a lifetime of
22:21
using this language so re-learning
22:23
how to speak within a context that is
22:27
uplifting to cannabis and not going back
22:31
into those
22:32
government-made reefer madness ideas we
22:35
realize that language is very important
22:37
and we are learning on the go uh we are
22:40
not trained as
22:42
radio people as
22:44
you know any public public speakers we
22:47
are not radio people we're i am a behind
22:49
the camera person i have a degree in
22:51
photography i feel much easier better on
22:53
the other side but yes we talk even
22:56
every time we talk now we're talking
22:58
about this use of language and if we are
23:00
going to destigmatize
23:02
part of that is language and it goes
23:04
right across the board in all aspects of
23:06
your life you think like we used to say
23:08
the postman the garbage man
23:11
but we don't use those terms anymore
23:13
slowly we start to realize well that's
23:15
kind of an exclusionary term
23:17
or the word marijuana this has deep
23:20
rooted historical heavy roots if we're
23:23
going to treat this as a medicine i mean
23:26
you need to use the terminology that
23:28
goes around around it yeah and we i've
23:31
had discussions with people where they
23:33
you know we go back and forth about like
23:35
well weed and dope and
23:38
uh pot those are
23:40
the cultural words that surround the
23:45
you know the illegal industry right when
23:47
it was illegal we had to come up with
23:49
these these words so that people didn't
23:51
know what we were talking about and
23:54
and that
23:55
was perfectly relevant then yeah and
23:58
when you have things that are like i
24:00
mean like mdma is still illegal but
24:02
that's why people call it molly right so
24:05
that you know you can have conversations
24:06
and not yeah but that's not the case
24:09
anymore and if we want to be able to do
24:11
the research and we want to actually
24:14
know what
24:15
you know how can we properly dose people
24:17
with with this medication
24:19
you know how
24:21
if we want to enhance our knowledge we
24:23
have to use the right words for things
24:25
and we call each other out there's been
24:27
a few times on shows where i've said
24:29
something
24:30
after listening to the show i'm like oh
24:32
that sounded uh
24:33
yeah cringe worthy so on the next show i
24:36
bring it up i owe myself i said hey i
24:38
said something on the last episode that
24:39
you know we're live and we're talking
24:40
things are going to come out i want to
24:42
acknowledge that i didn't say that right
24:45
yeah and i'm gonna try and do better in
24:46
the future and that's another thing is
24:48
we're all gonna [ __ ] up so when we do go
24:52
i'm gonna learn from that instead of
24:53
being like i didn't do that
24:56
right
24:57
and i think it's important for us to
24:58
call each other out like i have been in
25:00
situations now where i have called
25:02
somebody out for a comment that has been
25:04
made and been like hey
25:06
that kind of wasn't a very kind comment
25:09
it might have even been borderlining
25:11
racist so you know like hey be aware of
25:14
that and i have never had somebody turn
25:17
around to me and been like
25:19
no it's not or angry with me that most
25:21
people go like
25:23
oh [ __ ] like hey
25:24
thanks
25:26
oh or and even if it's like i don't
25:28
agree with you it's there's no
25:29
negativity behind it because i think
25:31
it's just
25:33
the language is changing i don't
25:35
constantly have to be learning well i
25:37
mean the
25:38
the fact with cannabis like with all
25:40
things but cannabis especially we're
25:42
learning so much at an extremely fast
25:45
rate and um like for example you were
25:48
saying um cannabis is the word that we
25:51
should use and that i i'm huge on
25:54
language because words or spells is why
25:57
you spell words that's why i use
25:59
positivity instead of negativity
26:02
um
26:02
but they're saying now that because if
26:05
you go like the genus like the actual
26:08
like plant subspecies and species and
26:11
there's cannabis sativa and then
26:14
or it's cannabis sativa l or something
26:16
and then it goes into hemp
26:18
and
26:19
what we're calling cannabis which is thc
26:23
which is actually like a different
26:25
offshoot so eventually we're going to
26:27
have to go to this cannabis sativa l no
26:31
or i don't think we will never have to
26:33
refer to it as cannabis sativa um we
26:36
will if anything like we will get away
26:38
from words like what's the strain you're
26:41
smoking because cultivar is called
26:43
yeah we're gonna we will start and by us
26:47
using those words and sort of like
26:48
modeling it for other people yeah so if
26:51
i go to pot shops i ask them who's your
26:53
favorite cultivar
26:54
right now
26:56
if you were buying a cultivar right now
26:58
what would you be buying yeah and that
27:00
separates the good bud tendency from the
27:02
guidebook
27:03
yeah
27:03
right if somebody has to ask you well
27:05
what what what do you mean
27:07
okay and then you're like okay just you
27:09
know mental note okay
27:11
um
27:12
but
27:14
yeah that's always involved
27:16
it will evolve and hopefully we can do
27:19
it be there alongside and yeah we'll
27:21
talk about things like long uh like
27:24
narrow leaf broad uh drug types and
27:26
broadleaf drug types right like those
27:28
are important and like we shouldn't be
27:30
using sativa and indicas and hybrids and
27:33
um i mean i don't think we should be
27:36
that's my own personal thing i
27:37
completely understand why the
27:39
recreational market
27:41
set it up that way
27:43
um
27:44
very much like how the liquor store has
27:46
your red wines and your white wines
27:48
right and they're in separate sides
27:50
because if you like red wine you go to
27:51
the red ones if you like white wine you
27:52
go to white ones
27:54
15 20 years ago marianne
27:57
when you bought cannabis
27:59
who did you buy it from um i bought it
28:03
from somebody who
28:05
i got the number from somebody else
28:09
and it was always my options were do you
28:11
want the fifty dollar bag or the sixty
28:13
dollar bag
28:17
do you want to do that it's like this is
28:18
the green stuff i have this week you
28:20
weren't saying is it sativa what's it
28:22
gonna do for me is the dude in the
28:24
basement with a dope whatever bag of
28:26
dope he had that week that's what you
28:28
went home with
28:29
and if it was
28:31
august you were getting stems and leaves
28:35
because
28:36
last year's harvest was almost done
28:39
but you've got what you got you couldn't
28:41
be a consumer the way you are now so
28:42
there wasn't the language of the
28:44
consumer that's right
28:46
well i think the the education
28:48
the education that's out there right now
28:50
both for those within the cannabis space
28:53
and those with
28:54
are outside of it is tremendous right
28:57
now like i i am learning that at a
28:59
feverish rate just just by being around
29:02
mary jane and doing this podcast and
29:04
having the guests on and just just
29:06
talking it all through and just just
29:07
soaking in kind of what's going on
29:09
because for me as a skeptic by nature
29:13
i needed to see
29:14
i can't just have someone say hey try
29:17
this it's good
29:19
um you got to tell me you got to tell me
29:21
why like i'm i'm on a very particular
29:23
health journey right now and i and i'm
29:25
very specific there's a problem with all
29:27
of that timmy is because although
29:29
there's this great education out there
29:31
like these podcasts um
29:34
the average consumer walks in to a
29:37
cannabis store
29:39
like
29:40
you guys were saying and and
29:42
generally they ask would you like indica
29:45
or sativa and that's after the do you
29:47
know what you're looking for because if
29:49
you know what you're looking for that's
29:50
a great starting point for them but most
29:53
of them are getting an education from
29:55
this can sell program i took it i don't
29:58
know if you guys took it there was a lot
30:00
of
30:01
old information in there that we've
30:03
already learned has changed and i'm like
30:06
why are you not educating people on the
30:08
importance about terpenes why is this
30:10
not a necessity on every cannabis
30:13
product that's out there what like food
30:15
the ingredients that's what i'm saying
30:17
that's what i'm saying the education
30:18
stuff is
30:19
it's there but it's not the average
30:21
consumer because the average consumer
30:23
doesn't know the problem it's not there
30:25
for the consumer and it's certainly not
30:27
there for the bud tenders so the boat
30:29
tenders can go in and get their their 35
30:32
can sell program
30:35
and it covers the very basics it covers
30:38
i like to call it the smart serve of
30:41
cannabis right it's like yeah
30:43
how to tell when they're two when
30:45
they've smoked too much
30:47
right and even that is like
30:49
a really
30:51
loose
30:52
guideline right because
30:54
because consumption doesn't always
30:56
dictate impairment
30:59
right i just want to say thank you
31:02
thank you
31:03
like i can consume
31:05
and i can do
31:07
almost all of my daily functions right
31:10
um by choice i don't consume while
31:13
driving and i don't consume you know
31:16
immediately before driving but if it's
31:17
been a couple of hours since i've
31:19
consumed i have no problem not a second
31:21
thought to get in my car and drive
31:23
because i'm not impaired
31:25
the only time i ever get asked if i'm
31:27
impaired is when i'm not prepared right
31:30
it makes me laugh so hard
31:33
yeah i think i need to fuel up because
31:35
people think i'm high which means i'm
31:36
not happy
31:37
that's fine you're like no this is me on
31:40
edge i need to go have it
31:42
that's exactly it right so yeah so
31:45
consumption doesn't dictate impairment
31:48
and when
31:49
when you give people a little tiny bit
31:51
of information there's like two avenues
31:53
it goes somebody's like oh a tidbit of
31:56
information i want to run with this and
31:58
learn everything i possibly can so
32:00
they're going to be out there they're
32:01
going to be searching the youtube videos
32:02
they're going to be doing all the other
32:03
things and then there's people are going
32:05
to say great i got this information in
32:07
my little piece of paper now i'm going
32:09
to go and pretend like i know what i'm
32:10
doing yeah all right
32:13
um you can bud tenders who are really
32:16
into
32:17
being the best of the best they can take
32:19
a can cell expert course
32:21
yeah right and it's like a thousand
32:23
dollars
32:25
so
32:25
your part-time bud tender
32:28
who's spending 20 to 30 hours in the
32:30
store
32:31
isn't going to pay for that that's like
32:33
you know a month or more is worth of
32:35
their salary yeah right so they're not
32:37
going to invest that so then you you
32:40
talk to companies who are like hey would
32:41
you be interested in
32:43
your any of your bud tenders taking this
32:45
course and they're like no it's way too
32:46
expensive we don't we the store owners
32:49
don't want to pay for that
32:51
yeah well the bud tenders do get some
32:54
sort of training because when i was
32:56
there
32:56
we got training on
32:58
the different
33:00
products
33:01
with a certain
33:03
um license for i don't want to be very
33:05
like vague here so um a licensed
33:08
producer basically paid
33:10
for us
33:12
to do this seminar on their products
33:15
that they were going to be bringing in
33:17
so it's like
33:18
why i'm not getting paid to watch this
33:21
thing and learn you guys are getting
33:23
paid there
33:24
that's right and i mean if you look at
33:26
what happened out now east in
33:29
i think it was new brunswick and i'm not
33:32
sure if nova scotia and pei got in on it
33:34
but they they are buddy so i wouldn't be
33:36
surprised without new brunswick um tweed
33:41
made a deal with their gut with the
33:43
the province and basically said hey all
33:46
of your bud tenders are gonna take our
33:48
course and so out in new brunswick their
33:53
equivalent of our can cell
33:55
is a program that was created by an lp
33:59
oh wow
34:00
how is that okay
34:02
problematic like like there's so many
34:05
levels of like
34:07
this is a questionable
34:09
business deal
34:10
like that's where i instantly go but we
34:12
always go back on the show to we're
34:15
still babies in this legalization that's
34:17
right we're still learning to walk
34:19
things are changing all the time
34:22
and you know we say don't show up we
34:24
hope
34:25
that things will get better
34:28
we hope that the longer that has been
34:30
legal the the more we can you know
34:33
create a structure around this that
34:35
works when you think about the lcbo in
34:37
the 70s they weren't allowed to show
34:41
anything they had little labels on
34:43
boards and you went and you chose a name
34:45
like oh i like that name there weren't
34:47
beautiful labels on wine bottles and
34:48
there weren't craft beers and all of
34:50
that this has taken many many years and
34:54
even to see how far canada's has come in
34:56
three four years
34:58
imagine us now four years down the line
35:00
yeah as we address these issues
35:02
like equivalencies like training like
35:05
oversaturation of cannabis
35:08
which is just a government cash cow
35:11
um if you want everybody's like why are
35:13
there so many uh stores they go look
35:15
into the licensing program and see what
35:17
the government is making off of this
35:18
they don't care about the stores they're
35:20
getting two years of licensing and money
35:23
and all that [ __ ] they know that 50 of
35:25
these stores are done in a year
35:27
yeah so this hopefully the waves will
35:29
get less tumultuous with time and
35:32
hopefully we don't our governments don't
35:34
decide to
35:35
you know support the monopolies right
35:38
and then we end up with you know
35:40
three or four big brands that just
35:43
resell us
35:44
what can happen
35:46
and i mean we like i definitely see us
35:49
headed in that direction and that's why
35:50
it's going to be so important for us to
35:52
protect
35:53
small grows it's important that's why it
35:55
should be so like
35:57
next season i know we're at right at the
35:59
beginning of season three but next
36:01
season is very exciting because it's
36:02
gonna be all about growing
36:05
and that's what we need to do is we need
36:07
everybody growing their own pot even if
36:09
you don't do it well i'm not a very good
36:11
grower but i still grow my own pot but
36:13
if you're a consumer that uses uh canada
36:16
stores where was your your canvas
36:18
growing was it local is it carmel is a
36:20
nice local cannabis or is it
36:23
what are the companies practices right
36:25
is this being shipped in from you know
36:28
across the country that's an important
36:31
important question and nobody seems to
36:33
be asking the question and i don't think
36:36
it's because people don't want to know
36:38
i think it's because people aren't
36:40
comfortable asking those questions yet
36:41
they don't know how to ask those
36:42
questions they don't even know what
36:43
questions
36:44
exactly and i think that when like we
36:46
did a great episode once on
36:49
like improving your budtender experience
36:52
right so like how to ask those questions
36:54
and like not to be afraid to ask those
36:57
questions and if your butt tender
36:58
doesn't know that's perfectly fine ask
37:01
them to find out there's a lot that they
37:04
can't say so how can you ask them in a
37:06
way that they can answer right how can
37:08
you circumvent the
37:09
the question so that you're not actually
37:12
asking a question but an answer could
37:14
come out you know it's funny it almost
37:15
sounds like when you want to talk to
37:18
your kids about sex but you don't
37:20
exactly know how to approach it but you
37:22
know you have to and you yeah yeah and
37:25
they don't they don't necessarily want
37:26
to ask and it takes me back to my to my
37:28
religious experience as well right i
37:30
mean there's lots of people i i was i
37:32
was in my early 30s teaching a class of
37:34
people who had been in the church longer
37:36
than i had been alive
37:38
and that baffled me that it baffled me
37:41
that that that hierarchy had been been
37:44
overshot because people get to a point
37:47
and it's true within the cannabis
37:48
industry too i can imagine you know
37:50
you've been you've been smoking weed
37:51
since you were you know
37:53
15 and now you're 60 and the last thing
37:55
you want to do in this changing world is
37:57
try to ask a question and seem like you
37:59
actually don't know anything about the
38:01
wheat the weed you've been using for the
38:03
last you know 40 years of your life and
38:05
that happens in the religious sector
38:06
right you don't you don't want you stop
38:08
asking questions because
38:10
everyone assumes that hey i've been in
38:12
this
38:13
a long time i don't want to look foolish
38:15
now
38:16
um and that that's you know that's a big
38:19
problem
38:20
yeah it's a huge problem and i think
38:23
that that's
38:24
i think that's where sharing our lived
38:26
experiences comes
38:28
down to the impression
38:29
on all of our listeners behalf you guys
38:31
do the same thing if we come to it from
38:33
a light point of view where we can say
38:36
oh i [ __ ] that up or i don't know that
38:39
or i mean the newbie and the doobie the
38:40
way you play off each other it's such a
38:42
great dynamic because
38:44
you're able to have these conversations
38:46
timmy doesn't look like he doesn't know
38:48
what he's talking about he's just
38:50
somebody who's learning that's awesome
38:52
because i don't know what i'm talking
38:53
about no you actually do not know what
38:55
you're talking about washing your bone
38:56
in the dishwasher
38:59
it seems like so easy it seems like it
39:01
would be the easy answer i don't
39:02
understand
39:04
um so i have i have a really pressing
39:06
important question
39:08
um do you remember the very first time
39:12
you actually felt on it
39:14
oh yeah
39:15
the first time i ever felt high yeah
39:17
like the first intoxicating experience
39:19
do you remember what happened vividly
39:21
okay everybody seems to like you either
39:23
do and it was like play by play or you
39:26
don't
39:27
which means it's good either way
39:29
i remember i was 14 15 in the dawn
39:33
valley
39:34
in toronto round fire
39:36
trying my first beers tried my first
39:37
dope all that
39:39
it's all very vague to me i remember the
39:41
first time really feeling like i was a
39:44
cannabis user and that was at 19 in
39:46
amsterdam
39:48
because that was for the first time i
39:49
had choices
39:50
and
39:52
you know was able to go and buy it and
39:54
not be in the closet and be high and be
39:57
okay with being high i was away from my
39:59
family it was not very freeing so there
40:01
wasn't that you know i think a lot of
40:02
people for the first few times there's
40:04
the nervousness i'm gonna get caught
40:06
you know because all those other things
40:07
you can't even enjoy the high but
40:11
yeah when you're young as i was it's
40:12
hard to remember i just jumped in
40:16
oh yeah
40:16
yeah right away after that first
40:18
experience i was like i can see this be
40:21
like this is a lot of fun and i do
40:23
remember saying that this is a lot
40:25
better than drinking
40:26
because i at that point had already been
40:28
drunk before and just said i was like i
40:31
don't like that
40:33
i don't know why any i'm sorry annie i
40:34
don't know why anybody drinks alcohol it
40:36
is awful
40:39
you definitely understand too much
40:42
vividly in my parents basement with my
40:44
brother and his friends two and a half
40:46
foot bomb
40:48
and come home from cheerleading practice
40:50
and uh yeah and they were like she's
40:52
gonna rat on this if you don't at least
40:54
share it with her so here include her
40:58
and i thought you're guilty you're
40:59
guilty and would you have ratted on them
41:02
probably
41:04
just knowing my you know 14 year old
41:06
self oh well your brother made a good
41:08
choice
41:10
well the first time i experienced
41:11
getting high uh
41:13
um pretty much derailed my future of of
41:16
consuming cannabis because it ruined my
41:18
bowling score and i can't risk that
41:20
going forward i'm too good of a bowler
41:24
bad first experience a lot of people do
41:26
they've maybe been drinking at a party
41:29
and then they have a joint we've got a
41:31
lot of stories like that on the podcast
41:32
of course they green out they don't know
41:36
or or experienced users right like you
41:38
and i and somebody new comes in and they
41:40
want to you know they want to tango with
41:43
the yeah
41:49
but then at the same time like the
41:52
experienced users either not including
41:55
like oh you're new so here's our little
41:57
tiny one and like belittling that person
42:00
or not looking out for that person and
42:03
not like you know oh yeah come in here
42:05
we're all gonna share this big giant
42:07
blunt but like the fourth times it comes
42:10
around you're like you know you kind of
42:12
uh under your breath like you can hit
42:14
that a little smaller now right but
42:16
because because cannabis is a community
42:20
right like it's not just
42:22
it's not just people getting high in
42:24
their garage and like sitting on their
42:26
couches right it's engaging people who
42:30
like cannabis is so much better when
42:32
it's consumed in a
42:34
social atmosphere
42:36
sometimes i like smoking alone sometimes
42:39
i very much i usually smoke alone but in
42:42
especially in those beginning times it's
42:44
just like when you drink like you don't
42:45
drink for the first time by yourself
42:47
hopefully not right like it would be
42:49
pretty sad if you did so you know
42:52
i feel like cannabis can use can be used
42:55
both ways it can be used recreationally
42:58
as well as like socially in a social
43:00
setting to bring people together like
43:02
the community can also absolutely be
43:05
used personally um if i'm gonna wait for
43:08
somebody else that consumes cannabis to
43:10
consume
43:11
that's not happening
43:13
especially in this relationship here
43:15
right i mean she can't wait for the time
43:17
where we can both take a break to go
43:18
have a smoke together so she's just got
43:20
to have to go do it yeah yeah and we
43:22
time our breaks accordingly because i i
43:25
do consume multiple times a day because
43:28
i only smoke if i were to like use a lot
43:31
of edibles and stuff right i'd be able
43:33
to keep my consumption or my thc levels
43:36
a little higher
43:37
than that but i just like i like smoking
43:40
it's it's relaxing to me if there's a
43:43
ritual that comes with a rolling of the
43:45
joint and
43:47
yeah i'm all about the ritual of rolling
43:49
a joint like i smoke joints almost
43:52
exclusively yeah
43:54
a big part of it for me is the rolling
43:58
it's very
43:59
meditative it's very
44:01
sensual it's therapeutic central and i
44:05
mean i'm kind of like
44:07
i learned how to roll joints at high
44:09
school parties
44:10
where i would find guys who had dope
44:13
cannabis
44:14
dope at the time
44:16
and i would say i don't have any
44:18
can can we have a little contest and i'd
44:21
say you give me a little bit of your
44:23
canvas and if i can roll it faster and
44:26
better than you then i get to keep the
44:28
joint
44:29
nice and never once lost because they
44:31
look at me like who's this little girl
44:33
she's a little girl she doesn't know how
44:35
to
44:37
you know fake balls that would have been
44:39
that would have been like me we did an
44:41
episode where episode five mj taught me
44:44
how to roll a joint
44:45
um and uh
44:48
would you like to publicly acknowledge
44:49
once again how awesome the joint was
44:51
just if you let it know it was pretty
44:53
good it probably would burn with like
44:55
good it was good airflow
44:57
did you roll it with the filter in
44:59
uh he put the filter in afterwards
45:02
that's all right that's all right i i'm
45:04
a filter after person i never roll with
45:06
the filter everyone with the filter see
45:08
my mom smoked pot or say i'm using all
45:11
the wrong words my mom spoke cannabis
45:13
you can say 40 years
45:15
and even in her 60s i had to roll her
45:18
joints for her so i go over and visit my
45:20
mom
45:22
and i get some laundry done well you're
45:23
helping me with my laundry i'll sit down
45:25
and i'll roll 25
45:28
joints for you for the week
45:32
and if she ever rolled one for me to
45:34
smoke i would immediately tear it apart
45:36
and be like no
45:40
yeah i'm very particular just like i
45:42
don't like anybody to make my tea i
45:44
don't want anybody to roll my toes i
45:46
will roll my joints and it's yummy
45:48
because timmy has said well why don't
45:49
you
45:50
prep
45:51
and just before you go to bed he's
45:53
nodding his head because he's told me
45:54
this multiple times before you go to bed
45:57
roll up eight ten joints whatever it is
46:00
you need for the day look at the head
46:01
your heads watch the heads roll the
46:03
joints for the day and that way the next
46:05
day you can just put them in a tin and
46:06
carry them around and i mean there is
46:08
time to do that but
46:10
the there is a time to do that and the
46:13
time when i do that is when i'm going to
46:14
weddings or funerals weddings and
46:17
funerals i pre-roll my joints for the
46:19
day because i just i accept the fact
46:22
that there will not be time
46:24
and it might make people uncomfortable
46:27
yes
46:28
i never do it either because i don't
46:30
know what i'm going to want to smoke the
46:32
next day
46:33
am i going to be cleaning and therefore
46:36
need my lsd am i
46:39
you know wanting to be creative and i
46:40
need my lemon haze uh maybe i
46:43
need to really relax and so i'm gonna go
46:46
you know i always have eight ten
46:48
different
46:48
um
46:50
cultivars multiverse on the go
46:52
so timmy if you pre-roll the day before
46:54
hey you're not going to know what's in
46:55
all those unless you label each
46:57
joint and b you don't know where you're
46:59
going to be in the day right mary anne
47:01
maybe
47:02
it's just like a day
47:04
yeah i think that comes down to uh i
47:06
think that comes down to personality
47:08
like i literally this this two days ago
47:11
um i uh i spent two hours and 43 minutes
47:15
like i timed it for a video i did um
47:18
prepping one month of my breakfast
47:20
vegetables packaging weighing them
47:22
freezing them and to me
47:25
that i am like i'm like for one month i
47:28
i'm like i'm going to save breakfast
47:30
time i know exactly what i'm eating so i
47:32
think it's that's a personality i think
47:34
i'd be very organized if i were a
47:36
definite
47:48
my husband picks out all of this clothes
47:49
the night before i cannot what if i wake
47:51
up and i don't want to wear that anymore
47:53
yeah they wasted all that time now now
47:56
not only do i have to spend time doing
47:57
it but i have to think about the time
47:58
that i wasted yesterday picking those
48:00
clothes up oh see that's why you need to
48:02
have a wardrobe like mine i have uh i
48:05
have seven pairs of these wool socks i
48:08
have uh five black shirts two pairs of
48:11
jeans and the only reason i have the
48:12
second pair of jeans is because they
48:13
were on special and mary jane said you
48:15
need to have a backup
48:18
well
48:22
his last pair of jeans actually got torn
48:25
um at
48:27
the raptors breeze yeah i almost got
48:29
shot at the raft he was literally in
48:31
that section where the gunshot went off
48:34
yo that's that's terrifying to calm down
48:36
and fell down and rip my jeans it makes
48:38
a great story um but uh but yeah i do
48:41
think i think if i was in the cam if i
48:43
was consuming cannabis i think it does
48:45
come down to a personality and that's
48:47
why
48:48
i mean like with anything right there's
48:50
like there is there's no right or wrong
48:51
but i'm pretty sure i would probably
48:53
have a carrying case i would have them
48:56
um i might not even have them labeled
48:58
because i probably already have decided
49:00
these are the ones this is what i would
49:02
smoke he would be if he was a smoker he
49:06
would consume i'm going to say vapes and
49:09
it would be little cartridges
49:11
in a little nice little case
49:14
with the pen and everything all in it it
49:17
would have the charging cord in it like
49:19
and it would be carried in at the same
49:21
spot in my bag every day
49:23
yeah yeah
49:24
and probably maybe some i keep pushing
49:26
for the cbd oil yeah we're leaning right
49:29
now towards um because i
49:31
although i've tried smoking three times
49:34
um and i probably won't go back to that
49:36
form of consumption
49:38
when i talked earlier even about the
49:39
education that's out there and whether
49:41
or not people are tapping into that as a
49:43
whole different issue but i've been
49:45
impressed by the science i've been
49:47
hearing and the whole endocannabinoid
49:49
system and the the fact that
49:51
i never knew that
49:53
um i never knew that there could be a
49:55
purpose and a reason other than you know
49:58
like i always thought it was escape the
50:00
world i got no reason to escape the
50:01
world i like the world i'm okay i don't
50:03
i don't need that but once i found out
50:04
it's like wait a minute hold on you
50:06
think i might be wired for this stuff
50:08
there might be a need for this that
50:10
could help me maximize and optimize i
50:12
focus on you know my physical fitness
50:14
for exercise and my diet and my sleep so
50:17
if this is truly a component why
50:20
wouldn't i so now the question is
50:22
um taking the information that we are
50:24
learning and taking and and on a journey
50:27
to find out more information to say what
50:29
is the form
50:30
that i that i feel most comfortable with
50:33
and what is the
50:35
um
50:36
all those other dynamics the level and
50:38
and you know you want to talk strains of
50:40
cultivars um what is it that will help
50:44
my body me personally as opposed to
50:47
people who maybe have been smoking the
50:49
same one forever it's kind of like you
50:51
know when you
50:52
yeah eat the same meal like i eat the
50:54
same meal every day but a lot of
50:56
information has gone to putting that
50:58
meal together based on what i've learned
51:00
about my own personal body and my
51:01
metabolism and all of that
51:03
and same thing with smoking weed you
51:05
said there's like oh this is what i've
51:06
been smoking for the last 30 years of my
51:08
life and you say did you ever consider
51:10
though that there might be a better
51:14
alternative and most people i would
51:16
imagine be like no this is just what
51:17
i've done
51:18
and so i'm on that journey now of trying
51:20
to go of where where is that for me and
51:23
i'm excited about it and the first step
51:25
might be cbd oil um in my in my
51:28
smoothies and we'll go from there
51:30
timmy have you started a journal yet
51:33
no but we did an episode where she
51:35
taught me about a weed journal yeah
51:38
we created
51:39
journals um i did a cannabis journal as
51:41
somebody who had smoked for 15 years
51:44
before and never journaled anything i
51:46
took one year so the year of 2020 i
51:49
journaled absolutely every single time i
51:52
consumed
51:54
and i can tell you i can
51:56
i can tell you what time of day and
51:59
based on what i've eaten and how much
52:01
caffeine that i've taken in
52:02
what my next joint should be
52:05
yes i can tell you
52:07
and you're like you sound like the kind
52:08
of guy you know you're all your stuff is
52:10
in the same spot you should oh
52:12
work for timmy and what he's talking
52:14
about is really what we're talking about
52:16
in general is the more knowledge we have
52:20
the more understanding of the plant and
52:23
somebody like yourself can say i'm not a
52:25
smoker so that takes all of that out
52:27
yeah so maybe i'll try tinctures or
52:29
maybe i'll try t's
52:31
yeah but what am i trying to achieve i'm
52:32
trying to
52:33
achieve good sleep
52:36
so what is going to work within that
52:38
kind of consumption
52:40
and then narrow it down with the you
52:41
know the tea doesn't work or this does
52:43
work and when you start journaling that
52:46
and seeing what you see and how it works
52:48
you go okay
52:50
i spent i spent shooting in the dark i
52:52
spent a year and a half but when when mj
52:55
got me the fitbit i spent a year and a
52:57
half like every day tracking my food and
52:59
sleep like i can tell you i built my own
53:01
spreadsheet with my sleep patterns if i
53:03
go to bed at 11 37
53:06
that is where i get my maximum sleep
53:09
and you might sit there and say wait
53:10
that's that's ridiculous like people
53:15
i took in the data that i have now it's
53:17
probably changed now because um i got
53:20
lazy with it and my my exercise program
53:23
and and everything has changed so that
53:26
plays a role like i'm finding him going
53:27
to bed earlier but
53:29
at one point i did know
53:32
the maximum time at that particular
53:33
point in my life under that daily
53:35
pattern
53:36
that that's where i got my best sleeps
53:38
so i like that you said that that it
53:40
could have changed because your your
53:42
body has changed and things in your life
53:44
has changed because
53:46
just like annie was saying with cannabis
53:48
consumption
53:51
what you need that he was so cute when
53:53
he said you know you'll be smoking the
53:54
same stuff for 30 years nobody smokes
53:56
the same stuff for 30 years because you
53:58
come immune to it you got to switch up
53:59
the cultivars right but
54:02
but um
54:05
wait where was i going with him
54:08
oh dang it
54:11
there is an argument for the fact that
54:13
your lungs aren't
54:15
like there is an argument that they
54:17
really weren't designed to take anything
54:19
but oxygen into them right like there is
54:22
an argument for that but there's also an
54:24
argument that the wall between the lung
54:27
and the
54:28
outer i'm sorry i didn't even take
54:30
biology in school but that space in in
54:34
between the two walls of the lung
54:36
where a lot of like cancers can form
54:38
that there that there's endocannabinoid
54:41
receptors within there so that if you
54:44
had lung cancer you should smoke
54:47
like
54:48
you should or sorry you should smoke
54:50
cannabis
54:52
because
54:53
of that space and because the receptors
54:55
are in there right
54:57
so again knowledge right right and don't
55:00
be afraid don't be afraid of saying
55:01
stuff like that and because we you know
55:03
often like well i'm not an expert but
55:05
i'm gonna say this on our show we've
55:06
said it often um we like to spout off
55:09
things that may or may not be true so
55:11
that way it covers everything
55:15
you know what we are
55:17
advocates we are not doctors we are not
55:20
experts we don't say that we are either
55:21
of those things
55:23
we are two moms trying to start a
55:25
conversation that's it trying to move
55:28
this culture forward and out of the
55:30
closet out of the dark
55:32
and
55:33
if you're going to have these new
55:34
conversations like you guys are doing
55:36
we're doing then you're going to say
55:37
stupid thing and it's okay to say stupid
55:40
things because that will start a new
55:42
conversation where you hopefully have a
55:44
chance to learn something
55:46
yeah speaking speaking of saying stupid
55:48
things one podcast i was talking about
55:50
the different types of cannabis and
55:51
talking about how indigo has to do with
55:53
like um short and fat and sativa is tall
55:56
and sin and then i mentioned the lesser
55:58
known cousin ruder alice i made sure to
56:01
mention rude or else but i completely
56:03
forgot to mention that
56:06
98 of the strains that you're going to
56:08
find on the market are neither sativa or
56:11
indica but most likely a hybrid i didn't
56:14
even mention the word hybrid in that
56:16
entire segment so it's very easy like
56:18
you're saying to say something wrong or
56:20
maybe forget to say something
56:23
um but i did remember what i was going
56:24
to say
56:25
it had to do it had to do with changing
56:28
um how your body changes over time
56:30
timmy uh at one point became vegan
56:33
uh for like an entire year cold turkey
56:35
just stopped eating meat no don't cold
56:37
turkey no no cold turkeys
56:40
no
56:41
um but he ended up losing a lot of
56:43
weight and needed to add more protein
56:45
back into his diet so just like you have
56:48
to adjust your diet depending on how
56:50
your body is the same thing with
56:51
cannabis you might have to add edibles
56:54
um a certain time of the year because
56:56
your arthritis flares up or whatever and
57:00
everybody is different
57:02
so what works for you might not work for
57:04
you
57:05
and and it's like a like you're saying a
57:07
journal you have to keep a journal yeah
57:09
you got to keep a journal and you have
57:11
and i always new consumers like i used
57:13
to work uh like you did mary jane i used
57:15
to work in cannabis
57:17
stores um and i always used to tell my
57:19
employees and i should tell our
57:20
customers like this is a journey that
57:24
you work on and like you you kind of
57:27
have a path that you think you're going
57:29
to walk on but there's
57:31
like this path has so many little jets
57:33
coming out of it just just go and enjoy
57:37
it and be safe
57:38
right so just put yourself in safe
57:40
places with safe people and you know
57:44
make safe choices consume with intention
57:47
i think that's what we're talking about
57:49
within saying that
57:51
and whether your intention is to get it
57:53
just
57:54
you know [ __ ] up as much as you can
57:56
that's what that is your intention go
57:58
and achieve that and there's a time for
58:00
that and it goes right back to what
58:01
we're talking about the very beginning
58:02
of this conversation
58:04
is speaking with intention yeah
58:07
consuming with intention listening with
58:10
intention
58:11
i've been really working hard the last
58:12
year on being an active listener
58:15
which is really hard
58:19
2020 i was an active yeller i just
58:22
yelled a lot i was actively yelling at
58:25
everybody i wouldn't even know that i
58:27
was yelling but after you're running
58:28
these conversations and you're thinking
58:29
what's my rebuttal what am i gonna say
58:31
in rebuttal to what they're saying
58:32
instead of just being like i'm gonna
58:33
listen
58:34
yeah take it all in i don't have to have
58:36
a rebuttal i don't
58:38
have to have it right away exactly but
58:39
i'm going to be a better listener if i'm
58:41
listening without scripting in my head
58:43
what i'm going to come back at you with
58:45
just living with more intention and all
58:47
aspects in everything i do you know
58:49
that's an extremely hard lesson a hard
58:51
thing to do as well is to listen
58:54
to hear rather than like listen to
58:57
understand rather than listening to
58:58
respond
58:59
because if we're literally listening to
59:01
respond
59:02
as you're telling me a story about your
59:04
car breaking down
59:06
i'm searching the back of my brain about
59:08
the last time my car broke down so that
59:10
way i have a story to tell you
59:12
when you're done talking but now all of
59:14
a sudden i've stopped listening to what
59:16
you've said so it's so common and it is
59:20
like you say
59:21
it's something i'm very conscious about
59:23
and i'm trying to retrain my brain
59:26
and you catch yourself doing you're like
59:28
not every story needs a rebuttal story
59:30
yeah and you might have information or
59:33
whatever i don't i could just take that
59:35
in and be like wow that's fascinating
59:37
yeah well let me ruminate on that for a
59:39
while well a lot of times too and my
59:41
friends and i we talk about this you
59:42
know like we talk about one of my
59:44
friends has trouble with potty training
59:46
and the other one their son doesn't want
59:47
to go to school or whatever the case may
59:49
be
59:50
um sometimes when they will say [ __ ]
59:53
about this stuff they're not looking for
59:55
you to give them answers or whatever
59:57
they just want you to listen
60:01
so sometimes just just listen so it's
60:04
it's
60:04
really shitty that you're going through
60:05
that yeah yeah
60:07
i uh i'm not not exactly sure what you
60:09
guys all just said um i got my car broke
60:13
down a while ago and i wanted to tell
60:14
you the story ever since
60:16
she brought that up
60:17
um
60:18
tell us a little we're getting ready to
60:20
let you go and live your lives um but
60:24
talk to people about kind of um a short
60:27
summary of what it is that you want you
60:30
want to accomplish
60:32
um why should we they should be
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listening to the high ladies podcast
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well first of all we came at it
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realizing there was definitely a hole in
60:43
um
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women-led conversations
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around cannabis
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so we really wanted to
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do that
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um
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as we said throughout the conversation
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we want to destigmatize
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we want to educate and we want to help
60:59
build a community of like-minded
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supportive people with good intentions
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and as many said we are not experts we
61:07
are not doctors but we are mothers we
61:09
are humans we are consumers we are
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people in this world so if we talk about
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our experience then maybe we can make
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other people
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feel more comfortable in the space
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is that good yeah i think that pretty
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much summed it up yeah
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and uh where where can people find you
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we'll obviously have the links so if
61:26
you're watching or listening the links
61:28
will be in the description boxes both
61:29
from the uh podcaster that you're
61:31
listening on and as well on youtube but
61:34
where where can they find you
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yes we're on instagram at hi ladies
61:38
podcast uh you can shoot us an email at
61:40
hi ladies podcast at gmail.com then
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we're on all of the listening platforms
61:46
i challenge you to find one that is that
61:48
we are not on if you find one tell me
61:50
i'll get us on there and if you don't
61:52
have a listening platform just google hi
61:54
ladies
61:55
all of it will be us
61:57
you'll find our website hi ladies
61:58
podcast buzzfeed.com but just gmail our
62:02
google hi ladies podcast there is no
62:04
excuse not to be able to listen to it
62:06
that's right we're everywhere
62:07
yeah i found you guys incredibly easy um
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mj any final words
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um
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no i want to say hi ladies because he
62:17
missed that opportunity at the beginning
62:19
i can't believe that's how you start all
62:21
you that's how you start the podcast
62:22
that's how we start that's right yeah we
62:24
start retiring and we end with five
62:26
ladies and did you um
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was that like before you started your
62:31
first recording you guys were like you
62:33
know what we're going to start with hi
62:35
or did that highlight or did that just
62:36
start
62:38
it was organic yeah i think
62:40
everything from that has come out of our
62:42
podcast has been super organic and even
62:44
our show titles don't get named until
62:47
after we've recorded them yep
62:49
yeah so yeah the show has definitely
62:51
evolved over the last three seasons and
62:53
we hope to keep evolving yeah you guys
62:55
know what that's all about
62:57
um we keep the hope bringing better
62:59
content
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more interesting interviews
63:02
uh just we want to be better and better
63:04
and better but we started very
63:06
organically and we're going to grow very
63:07
organically
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that's awesome well we want to thank you
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so much for joining us uh today and uh
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we're we're on the verge in the next
63:17
little while here of finishing our
63:19
season one and uh
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so we're just we're excited to know that
63:23
there are other people that are
63:24
like-minded um hearing this the the very
63:27
similarities in our backgrounds uh the
63:29
space that you're feeling by having a
63:31
women-led conversation like that is very
63:34
cool so we're happy to be in this space
63:36
kind of walking a journey with you and
63:38
hopefully we'll uh we'll be able to talk
63:40
again
63:40
i'm thinking hopefully thank you so much
63:42
timmy and mary jane we are so so blessed
63:45
to have you within our community it's
63:46
just fabulous that we found each other
63:49
and uh let's march on into 2022 making
63:52
change
63:54
did they freeze
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are we done
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thank you
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bye ladies
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you're frozen
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hey so the power went off
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and
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yeah
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so now i'm down here dark in the studio
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hopefully
64:30
the interview it still says it's live so
64:33
here we are
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live
64:36
we lost the all the power went out in
64:39
looks like in at least the street who
64:40
knows how much more than that
64:44
and uh
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yeah but this is good news it looks like
64:48
the interview
64:50
um still recorded so
64:52
yeah hey i don't know babe hey look
64:55
i'm i'm live right now on stream yard
65:00
okay so streambear kept recording
65:03
oh we're still there so we're we're live
65:06
right now we have it shut
65:09
we have it shut off so you how about we
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have my camera on and we call them back
65:17
and we finish it in the dark
65:20
well it's recording right now okay
65:23
you want me to send her a message and be
65:24
like can you call back in
65:28
i try yeah
65:30
okay
65:31
so here we are sitting in the dark in
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the studio
65:35
we just learned something new about
65:36
stream yard that if the power goes off
65:39
it keeps recording yeah your stream is
65:42
still going um
65:46
we were just about to say goodbye too
65:48
we were literally just about to say
65:50
goodbye
65:52
and all the power went off and i i'm
65:54
telling you
65:56
my heart sank
65:57
because like we were literally on the
66:00
thanks for coming
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and probably two minutes away from
66:04
shutting it off and i was so afraid we
66:07
lost it but i think
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let's see
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oh
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there we are
66:18
let's see
66:20
so we're trying to call them back now
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and see what happens
66:27
not sure exactly how to do
66:30
this oh are you calling me through
66:33
instagram yeah how else do i get to hold
66:34
on
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i don't know
66:38
i feel like we're sitting in the movie
66:40
theater
66:42
getting ready to watch the big show and
66:44
we are the big
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so i don't know i don't know if this is
66:51
going to be tight this will probably be
66:52
tagged on at the end of the interview um
66:57
my son is asking if we have but um
67:00
uh if we just use we might use this just
67:02
as a separate clip so let me just say
67:04
this we literally just were in the
67:06
middle of well not even in the middle at
67:08
the end of almost an hour
67:10
interview with
67:12
a amanda and annie from the high ladies
67:16
podcast it was an amazing interview i
67:18
had a great time they were fantastic to
67:19
talk to it's some amazing stories um and
67:22
then we were literally about to say
67:24
goodbye saying thank you we were in the
67:26
middle of like where can they find you
67:28
and they were listing off where they
67:29
could find you and we were i was about
67:31
to say all right well everybody thanks
67:33
for tuning in and off we were gonna go
67:37
and at that point after an hour long
67:39
conversation
67:41
the entire
67:42
house went down turns out my phone i got
67:44
i got my phone so now we're sitting in
67:46
our basement studio
67:49
um hoping our guests come back so we can
67:51
say something let's see if our guests
67:53
will come back and if
67:54
not i did send an email let me get to
67:59
really
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so weird but
68:01
but the stream yard
68:04
you are about to get um six star review
68:07
if this works
68:09
if a power failure does not keep it from
68:12
still streaming live could you imagine
68:15
if i did could you imagine if i didn't
68:17
go on to check stream yard oh my god
68:19
we'd still be recording
68:21
it would still just be going live
68:25
well look i'm not going to complain
68:27
stream yard um this is a pretty good
68:29
setup
68:31
we're getting the candles out so we'll
68:32
see if our guests come back in
68:34
and uh if not we will uh we will wrap
68:37
this thing up
68:39
i think our uh our next interview was
68:41
going to be rescheduled anyways right
68:43
so so what a bonus that was they
68:45
actually emailed us
68:47
just before the power went out
68:49
saying can we reschedule um the
68:53
interview for this afternoon
68:55
so
68:56
that was good timing this was bad timing
68:58
but that was good timing so
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now we just need the power to come back
69:02
on for our uh evening interview yeah i
69:04
you want to record one
69:07
do you want to record like a
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well
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that's it
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i guess that's it
69:13
and this is what happens when your power
69:14
goes out over where is that oh yeah we
69:17
turn the light on maybe i should turn
69:18
this way there we go
69:21
here we are
69:23
well thanks for joining us
69:26
on another episode of on the spot with
69:28
amanda and annie from the hi ladies
69:30
podcast uh their links will be all below
69:34
um definitely uh follow them connect
69:36
with them listen to them subscribe to
69:38
them give them multiples five stars on
69:41
i'm getting tired or whatever
69:43
on every podcast
69:46
format or platform you can find remember
69:48
if you can't find them tell them yeah do
69:51
the same for us too
69:52
we think we're on everything as well so
69:55
definitely like follow share our stuff
69:57
as well so here we are from our uh from
69:59
our basement dungeon
70:01
um parts unknown are you going to tell
70:03
them why it's dark are you just going to
70:04
leave it to their you know let them
70:06
figure it out well we already did
70:08
oh we're going to put this whole thing
70:09
up no
70:10
no probably
70:12
probably won't put the whole thing up
70:13
but i might put the first part up and
70:15
then do the official ending sorry i'm
70:16
laughing because your phone's about to
70:18
die and the power's out so we can't even
70:20
charge it actually so i better end this
70:22
now okay bye
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