Al Rapp | 420 Radio | The Noobie and The Doobie Podcast | OTS #22

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Join medicinal user, model & advocate Marijane Baker and non-consumer, former youth pastor & current clean comedian Timmy Boyle for a unique, funny & educational look into the magical, controversial and, for some, forbidden world of weed.  

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[Music] this podcast is for adults only should
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not be used as a meal replacement and may contain nuts
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[Music] hey everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Newbie and the
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Doobie my name is Timmy I am the Newbie Mary Jane I am the Dewey we're very
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excited today to have with us on the spot owl wrap from 420 radio Al thank
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you so much for joining us
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no it's a little too far this way
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anytime you see her go I gotta fix my shirt by the way I gotta fix my shirt
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I'll just sit like like a nice shirt
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well 420 radio so like what hello been associated with Al through 420 radio you know it's so funny
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um I was talking with Ashley about this earlier um Ashley from Sofa King good
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Bakery that's a great name so uh we were talking about when I first met
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her I was actually the day that I first met you which was at Karma cup um back in 2016.
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I've known Ashley a long time she was at she was at the farm uh for the thingy
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there up in uh alderville so this is the thing I love
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it he knows he's not even around I feel like I've
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never stopped myself for so long that you're like I like ow have you ever you know who that is and he's like oh yeah I
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know that person and and he's always been like my little guy to like you know
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should I stay away from this person or you know I see because if when you've
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been around you've been around in the um I want to say in the media in the
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Cannabis space you know for a very long time even before that even before that
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yeah so a long time wow so so how exactly did
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cannabis become a garden field like for you 21 did you start um well the easiest
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way to explain that uh is at 16 my doctor looked at me and asked me if I
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was uh still taking Ritalin and dexedrin for my ADHD okay on very high doses and
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uh then he asked me if I was using cannabis and if I was to stop taking the
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pills that was at 16 I'm 58. um he told you to stop taking the pills
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he told me to stop taking the pills for for Ritalin and dexedrine which I was on
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high doses I was a case study back in the 60s I guess you would say at the Hanks clinic for hyperactive children
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so I had oxy I had access to all those drugs that they were giving kids back then but then you know uh fast
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forwarding many years later uh I didn't start using cannabis until I was you
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know almost 20. uh but I was around it a lot everybody
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smoked that I hung up uh and then fast forwarding again uh my
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ADHD got really really bad and uh I had to stop taking the Pharmaceuticals
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uh and uh so I stopped taking antidepressants uh Wellbutrin which is
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for ADHD and depression uh and I started using more cannabis
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then I got diabetes and started using even more cannabis
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and now then I shattered my shoulder and then blah blah blah blah blah more
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cannabis yeah speaking of cannabis so wait so I was completely blown away
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when you said they're with your doctor was your doctor that far ahead of the curve or was he doing that as a kind of
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like they don't tell anyone or were you truly like part of like some sort of case study of them going let's see if this works I was truly some kind of a
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case case study that says let's let's see if this works oh wow I was 16 years
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old and at the time a parent could give the choice to the child if they wanted to keep using at least my parents gave
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me the choice if I wanted to keep using the Pharmaceuticals or stop
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um and I stopped and started eating and gaining weight and you know uh Ritalin
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is a great weight loss substitute but cannabis is great
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yeah it's hard to have an eating disorder uh I'll be honest about that
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and be uh you know a cannabis user it really is
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bunch I did it by it by every time I got the munchies I told myself you can have carrots and
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hummus you said that's all you give yourself you're not going to want to eat it and
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then after a while I'm not hungry anymore because that was one of my option was I I was I I stressed so I was
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looking for something to eat and I grabbed an Apple so I've had an app nice
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anyway at least it was healthy yeah so does your does the doctor way
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back then at what point did the doctor say it is working like where was that agreement
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point of going that was the right choice now now my doctor now
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uh at 58 with a host of ailments uh
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mobility issues diabetes ADHD bad uh he
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doesn't get he he didn't get how I was able to quit my Pharmaceuticals after
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being my doctor for 30 years this is a this is a doctor that I've had as an adult okay
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um and uh he's very on board with it he has samples of everything I've used he
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knows about my psilocybin use as well uh which has knocked my depression out
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the window um and my doctor although I've had doctors that
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weren't very supportive I went back to uh this guy and um because I moved back to the city
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it was it he's even on board the the whole psilocybin thing he's just waiting
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for the right information so he's what I call a doctor although my father was a
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physician and and a psychiatrist and he uh his specialty was behavior modification
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so he used to send people to my dad at Sunnybrook right um so he knows when I
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walk in my point is he knows when I walk in and say hey Doc I'd like to try this like I did with the mushrooms yeah he's
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gonna go okay let's see what happens he said he he doesn't need to listen to my show
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because when I go talk to him about it he I just give him all the information so you're his you're his uh
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uh training no not really I think that he's a doctor that actually I've had
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doctors while sitting in the room with them look up the Physicians and surgeons board page and
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show me this is what they say on the government page oh no no no no I can't do that
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and you're asked a sign okay uh my doctor when I said are you gonna
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sign my papers I asked you two years ago he said you never brought them in so you
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know that's the kind of dog he's a doctor you know you've got practitioners when it comes to things like that you've
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got practitioners they practice the stuff they've been taught and you've got a doctor who learns
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all of the doctors or practitioners that are studying or like performing medicine
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right now I should have done that they're actual
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offices they only know what they've been taught
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exactly and they didn't get taught that information not on psilocybin on cannabinoids not on any of that stuff
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you know in all honesty I would think uh you know like I when I said I'd like to try psilocybin and my doctor went what's
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that I said magic mushrooms he says okay what's that like it
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yeah you can put up a little funny cartoon character of a mushroom on
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Facebook and other media okay uh social media but you can't there's no pot plant
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there's nothing representing cannabis right but you can watch things like uh
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the hilarious House of Frankenstein or Frankenstein or whatever it was called with with
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um sorry I forgot his name damn it was done here in Toronto anyways
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yeah uh Billy
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Billy van yeah they had all kinds of psychedelics and
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stuff like that in the show for kids in the morning
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I can imagine that was a pretty whacked out show well that was in the 60s and 70s they did those things you know you
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you could watch um HR puff and stuff but now in the in in 2020 or 2022
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you know you're not allowed to talk about these things so you're doing it wrong do you do you
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think like I I don't even know like are is this generation of doctors even
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getting taught any of this even as kind of a here is a possible option no as far
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as I know the last time you search right the last conversation I had with the medical uh anybody was a the head nurse
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at a small hospital when I was at emerge with the kid and
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um she said hold on I want to talk to you because I happen to have my hoodie on and so they went yeah they went and took
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David and I sat there and talked with the nurse and she said my husband's uh got a license and yada yada yada yada
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but I don't know what to do I'm like don't you guys have any courses upgrades
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things like that she says we have them but nobody goes you gotta remember something here the
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newer doctors they're being taught a little bit now the older doctors it
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wasn't an issue it was banned right it was banned when my father went
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to school my dad was a pill doctor I almost feel like there should be like
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a prerequisite though like if you had schooling before you have to go and get
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like this upgraded course because like I understand these doctors are busy and
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they you know whatever but like you should educate yourself on what is new
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what has happened with medicine it's always evolving like why they should be learning
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that would be a good question for Ira very nice right I wonder if that's
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something he like if he's doing like looking into I don't know what he's doing on the
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psilocybin thing but I know that you know he's got his clinic in in Hamilton still and he's been signing for years
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and years and years and they came after him they're still coming after him the government
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the government says oh yeah we'll Legalize It for medical but you need to get a doctor to sign and then then
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yeah yeah all right and then and then that's why some doctors when they
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sign for people they charge for fear that if they get caught doing it and
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they get fined for whatever reason that they have to pay a fine later Dr Rob Cameron had a clinic in uh apsley
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uh no just uh kohil just outside of apsley where he invited people to come
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up for a fee that he was allowed to charge legally uh and uh have an appointment three
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medical cannabis now this was oh God years and years and years ago
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since then he's been stripped of being a doctor and he's been fined and he's had his life taken away but yet he he was a
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cancer doctor that's where he started out I believe in New Mexico and then he
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came up here got married started started a clinic and helped thousands probably hundreds of thousands of people
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uh and uh the Canadian government didn't like it
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so they stripped him of his everything he was providing a service for people that doctors were not providing at that
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time now there are lots of um clinics there's no fingers again
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clinics they're literally an office in somebody's wherever they are sometimes
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body stream is one of them but they don't charge the people they charge over here so everybody like they're still
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getting paid everybody's still getting paid but like that doctor was stripped
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of everything for doing basically what people are doing now right legally and it was still legal back then because of
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the way the medical system was set up but because he was one of the only ones doing it
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unfortunately uh what he was doing created a
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Underground uh way to get your license not him
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but it created other people setting up those scenarios where you can go in a
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store or or you know your your basement or whatever hook up on Skype and you can do that very readily now and get your
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license grow your cannabis but now the Canadian government has caught on
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and said hang on a minute unless you've got Ms or something like that you don't need 200 plants sorry
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yeah they're they're combating that like I have a license for 10 plants
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right I what do I need with more than 10 plants seriously uh if I don't have that kind
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those kinds of ailments will 10 plants last me the year well I've proven that it doesn't already okay but it was my
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first year so it's it it's it's going to be interesting to see what happens going
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down the road that's for sure well I definitely um there's no way I could grow my
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allotment um I think I have 25 or 24 plants that I can have
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um plus uh the four recreational on top of that because medical and recreational
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are two separate entities so you can add before recreational to the floor or to
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the to the 24 medicinal um and she started doing this uh the Cannabis thing and and with me uh
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she no squat that was about it yeah and they weren't even pretty
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well yeah I found out that she's actually the Newbie on your show yeah we
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were talking to Marcel the other day and he's like wait you're the Newbie I'm like yes
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it's a little fairy princess when she joined us I've corrupted her I said to
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her there's uh me and Marcel and we both got very foul mouths and it's going to
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be like a brother sister sister thing and you have to be okay with that she said I have rest
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I'm like I'm fine I'm fine you know what's so funny they put me through hell the first year they aroused me like you
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know how I said to you um to you about your dad yeah how he his Dad gives me a
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hard time all the time and I'm like it's because he likes me I don't like it's because you guys like
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me you like having me around it's because on your show I ask those
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questions that Timmy would be asking where I'm like I don't understand why does it look like that
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well originally she was supposed to come and do the news for us but you know her dyslexia is very bad
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I just don't like news that's what it is I even asked Timmy when he said let's do the new section oh
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yeah it was like the moment we were the mo our producers the people that were
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behind us at the beginning had really suggested you should do a News segment and MJ recoiled immediately she's like
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I'm not talking about news millionaire come that tried it no thank you I don't like it so we we attempted
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it a few of our episodes have kind of an in the news section yeah and even that it was supposed to be Cannabis News and
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it just turned into humor I try and keep it light I don't know
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which is fine I mean like like we we talk a lot about breaking down the stigma and I know in in the world that
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I've come from like growing up through the church and all of my contacts the best way and it was same with religion
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the best way to truly um impact somebody and get people to
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open up to your concept is not by telling them the the science and the
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facts and the blah blah blah and the verses it was about telling your personal story and and you know you can
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we can keep people up on the news but there's lots of places to do that what what we really want to do is is have
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people hear the stories and that that that seems to be the road that a lot of people are going that can relate to that
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especially if they're good and funny well yeah like okay you mean like like
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meeting Chichen Chung uh that that was funny did you do that
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for 420 radio I did actually you know what's so funny um I had the memory come up on my wall
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um just the other day so it is February so it was uh like February 1st I think
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it was that they played in um Aurelia
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2018. okay 2018 and um yeah we hadn't
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met yet no we just met last summer that was the year yeah it's so funny um what was more what was really more
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impactful Cheech and Chong or meeting me
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so yeah um I just want to say Mike I mean I get
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to enjoy you every day um I only had one evening with teaching
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jobs between Chong's legs yeah well no I was on I was on the floor on your knees
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between their legs hey when it's that late at night you'll take whatever position you can get in and do what you
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need to do so what was she like your roving reporter what was what was let me
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hear from let me hear Al's side of the story here no can I talk about my first interaction without me yeah so so our
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friend our friend Al Graham said you gotta come out and meet Al the producer if you're gonna work on 420 radio you
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gotta go meet now so I'm like okay so I go down there and I'm all like excited to meet Al and and he's like well we're
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going to put you to the test and see how you do and he hands me one of these these little ear pieces and
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he's got his earpiece hooked up to him and all day he kept returning turning
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for example I'm attached to him and I'm like wait wait wait constantly like
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running around I was like this little lost pup all day and I knew just the the
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interaction that we had you know just the break times it was like you'd
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be like is it Breaktime now yeah it was just it was it worked out
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very well like we found we were like now everything's Wireless
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you know now we just walk around with our cell phones on instead of all these wires I had a computer in one hand a mic
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in the other and Jane tethered with this with this with this long 12 foot board
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no be honest so well did you really forget you were Tethered to her or did you just want to drag her around
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uh yeah it was a little fun doing that I was training her
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it's true that's so old school though I love to hear that you're like why are you with a mic and a computer in your
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hand and it's like it's like it's like the one-man show man we've been doing that for a long time we used to go down
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the karma cup uh even like as far back as the treating yourselves uh uh me and
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Kelly and Dave and Tim went down uh at first it was Kelly or me and Dave we
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went down and and got to know uh Marco and and
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just walked literally just walked around with a mic in our hands and asked me when you're doing stuff like that and
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and you know now she's gotten very good at it and that's that's what I that's what I
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needed Mary Jane for because I've never wanted I've never wanted to be out in the Forefront so I stick I've had a lot
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of co-hosts a lot of them so I'm I care not to remember some that I remember
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very finely and fondly uh Amy of course is one uh and
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um but Mary Jane just kind of showed up and
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followed me around which is what we were trying to go after that whole on the
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spot here's a chick with a microphone in your face in your face yeah and and
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some people like it and some people don't and she now she when she first started doing that she knew nobody now
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she knows pretty much everybody in in the community that's worth noting anyway I mean they know her that's probably the
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more important thing you know I enjoy meeting new people so if I haven't met you yet please reach out
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yeah but no puff puff passing anymore no although I have an amazing new tool
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that will help me moving forward that I'll be able to help and his name's Tim sorry no no you are I am
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um I do it's called she said amazing mustache choker okay the glass thing
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with the little mustache I think I had it I brought it in on the show there at the radio show so you just stick The
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Joint in the end right it's like those they used to have those stones with the the piece in it they've been
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using those since I forget what those are called oh my God
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oh my God they used to have them really long they used you know if you watch show like The Adams Family Morticia used
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to walk oh I have I have one that was like um like the Audrey Hepburn yeah that's an extension yeah yes and that's
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all they are they're just they're fabric off of those old style extensions right
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and I think those potatoes come back I think because people didn't want the
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smoke directly in their face I think that's probably one of the reasons too right like when you when you're
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smoking yeah it's down here it didn't light up
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away from me yeah I want to smoke but kids I love you
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but get the [ __ ] away from me so why why start 420 radio what was it
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what was the was there anything I mean that's been on for the air for a while right when did
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it first go to the air it'll be 15 years in April and then I'd be doing the show in
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probably a few years before that that I started tinkering I was tinkering with uh show cast and stuff like that many
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years before and was there much going on I mean in the probably probably not
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right in the Cannabis cannabis culture was in full swing with Mark and and he had that going really well
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um they're not like the Cannabis culture but like cannabis culture yeah
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cannabis culture uh TV Empire which now
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uh Jeremy is it Jeremy or Jeremy I can't remember his name Jeremiah something
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like that I can't remember his name but he's now running it uh with Jody I think
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uh but anyways to answer your question sheer boredom yeah
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uh uh I would I've always liked to play with computers uh I met somebody in a
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chat room that uh had some a little bit of uh broadcast
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learning in her background and uh one thing led to another and the
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station started as a alternative lifestyle station
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and uh focused mostly on uh
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alternative alternative lifestyle yeah but he wasn't it wasn't the brand yeah
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yeah it but it was I mean the whole idea of Lifestyle radio originally was to
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focus all Lifestyles that aren't already out in your face uh cannabis uh
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psychedelic Lifestyles uh there's lots of uh swingers
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and all kinds of stuff and um
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and now one of the things that that I shouldn't say tickles My Funny Bone
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about what uh coved is in the 90s
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I was studying photography and got a webcam this is just as the internet started
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right and I was at I was studying commercial photography I was doing what's up
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Toronto Magazine with my sister running around going crazy doing concerts and [ __ ] like that
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and um I found a chat room that you could
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like this [ __ ] and talk to people consenting adult people will just say
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okay uh and now you've and it was a special
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brand of people that were involved in in that kind of a chat room okay it was
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everyday Joe Bob Tim Carroll yeah right Tim I just that just I'm not saying you
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were there yeah I'm a Timmy so Tim Tim's were everywhere there's only one Timmy
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though my point is it was back when the webcam started coming alive I mean Yahoo
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hadn't even developed a webcams on there uh there wasn't even a
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Yahoo we had icq back then okay what year is this 94 somewhere around
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there when they started the internet supposedly
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I'm still in public schools we're still in public school yep so the chat
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Zoom now coming into play brings the video back in like I I specifically we
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didn't use video Until what about a year ago we started using video yeah
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we are a radio [ __ ] I have been pushing I just
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I just for a very long time it wasn't the timing wasn't right when we did just
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radio with we did video when we were out and about with Marcel and
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um Darcy and it just try having all of us on a phone remember what it's like
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when you three-way called you you can't see anything you don't know who's opening your mouth who's gonna say what
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exactly but with video you have that language yeah
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when I when I met Dave and Brian who were my original hosts well Cal my
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friend Kelly that lives up up north Kelly and Dean she helped me with the first couple of episodes my other friend
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Kelly helped me with a couple of episodes then I met Brian and Dave
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Dave uh is a DJ at a very large well-known I think he's still there
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anyways uh brothel we'll say okay yeah men's club
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uh in Toronto and he's very good at what he does and the girls love him very good
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friends he's a comedian I don't know what he's doing now we haven't spoken in a long time but it was
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uh three guys just sitting around like it it didn't become medical until I
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started doing it even with Amy it wasn't really about medical I met Amy at com she was signed me up at
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com uh it started being medical medical when Lori came into the picture Laurie
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mckecker uh and then Marcel of course and and now it's even though it's very Medical
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it's we've gone from having a loose format having fun having
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fun having fun being very serious very serious okay we're legalized we can [ __ ] around again
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oh okay uh but we still have our serious moments we we've had we've had a few uh dear
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jerker shows I I was producing all of Al Graham stuff at one point but I'm not now I'm kind of bored
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uh I really just try and concentrate on the 420 radio show uh at this point plus
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we've got uh some music stuff going on things like that as far as the station goes right we bring guests on and
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we talk we goof around a little bit and chat with them just like we do here yeah but you know
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when there's guests around we're pretty structured
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or medium but there's something very very powerful and magical about just the voice over the radio and so I can I can
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imagine you know like like starting out as just radio and doing it that long I can imagine even at the end even if you
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saw the benefits of video it's a hard transition to make because there's something very very pure magical about radio I took a bunch of multimedia
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courses uh and when I went I went back to high school in my 20s and took a
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multimedia course and we had full range of the North York Board of education's media center that has a full studio uh
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television Studio radio everything in it that you can think of wanting to use that uh they make available to students
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and I I took a summer course there so I learned how to do that but mostly everything's just self-taught
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because I like to Tinker yeah uh and it's
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um a very powerful form it it's always been a very powerful format I don't think
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internet radio can be called radio right but we do
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I'm not trying to say that I'm sitting down at 1050 Chama now and AM radio
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doing a show uh I but I want I want that flavor and I think I think we've got
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that I think for for the 420 show anyways I think we've got that I mean it it's really gotten to the point where
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now we're just kind of it's it's a bunch of guys and a gal that like hanging out together every Friday night and
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sometimes we have some really interesting guests and a lot of people learn I mean even when we're just
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[ __ ] around we're all really just wasted you can you're still gonna learn something
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yeah we're gonna go I didn't know that Marcel's always been something up us asks that he can pull out and talk about
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it and Marcel's got a lot of knowledge and so but but so does Darcy Darcy is is
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basically Marcel's little puppet everything's been busy trimming the last
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two weeks so he hasn't really been able to say much but trimming does take a long time if you're doing he's also not
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really feeling that well so to have Lenny on the show
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is oh that's another world of knowledge too because uh have you had Lynn here
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yet no yeah not yet but yeah he's a wealth of knowledge and uh he's he's in
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the legal cannabis profession and he's a a pharmacist uh actual pharmacist it's
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like having Jack on all the time
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we've talked I mean we talked just I think we talked just before we kind of went into like putting the show together
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here just just prior about you know conversation and we're conversation you know and I think what you're saying what
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you're saying there is is so great and it's something that we want to really start to embrace is that you put a bunch
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of people in a room that have knowledge and even if they are just kind of goofing around
34:18
occasionally you run you run that for any length of time hour two hours whatever it is you will gain
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knowledge in general right like the start of conversation brings that out it's my classroom we used to do it for
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three hours yeah sometimes multiple times during the week you know I was trying to do an afternoon
34:40
format is what I was trying to do uh a a coffee and and cannabis you could call
34:48
it uh now it's it's God there's there's uh podcasts or a
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dime a dozen now there there are uh podcasts for everything
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uh when I started doing this uh there was 420 radio down in the states uh Russ
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Belleville uh I don't know what they're doing with that I haven't heard hiding or hair of
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them in a long time uh and there was us there was uh the guy
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that was doing owl stuff and I can't remember his name uh and then Al came to us and I mean I
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was doing seven shows a week you know uh I think something like yeah
35:37
plus what we were doing remotely and stuff it it but the whole
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saturation of like when we started doing this even before when Mary Jane wasn't
35:51
around when we started doing this I keep putting my don't look at me uh
35:56
when we started doing this uh there were guys rolling around carts
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with computer equipment on it for one microphone okay yeah yeah oh wow at like
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treating yourself yeah like you've done that you know when I'm like I've done that in school I know
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how to plug things in and make them work well I used to edit I used to edit videos by plugging in two VCRs and they
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uh you know a tape deck in and you know
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you're trying to sync music to a like two VCRs going and got it as
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you used to do you probably did it with cassettes too for the car when the video shows we're we're doing
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really big and much music was real I used to sit for hours with a couple of
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decks and make my own videos yeah of
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music videos that I liked that I would put in when I had friends over and we would watch in Camp
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when I was in my younger years I was spinning the records for the dances and
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stuff like that I completely forgot about that [ __ ] I was doing all the lighting for the stage you know at 12
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years old and things like that I got into CB radio so it's an extension of
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that I spent most of my teen years breaker breaker one night had a big Bank station on the house in in in Yorkville
37:27
you know and uh but the internet is different
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what were we talking about no we were talking about conversation and well that's gone the art of
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conversation is gone the art of conversation is gone but it's it's um the interest level in watching a
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conversation is starting to come back and I know it it seems like it seems like
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um kind of the the default right now is Joe Rogan Joe Rogan is is the guy because he's he kind of put out this
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three hour format that hip-hop culture now there's a lot of guys out there that may have been doing it but but he kind
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of put it back in the mainstream where people going wait a minute somebody will listen to a conversation for three hours
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Howard Stern started doing that way before Rogan yep exactly yeah oh yeah on
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radio yeah you know so what what happened though was I think what people
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started to like gets they wanted sound bites and they wanted to do they were
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doing like three to five minute interview segments because they wanted to kind of get to the meat and what they
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did by doing that was that they it became very very stale and heat paced
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yeah and even though a three hour of interview and I and I'll use Rogan as an example and I've listened to stern too I
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think I think Stern's one of one of the best radio guys that have ever been around but if you listen to them go in
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three hours you might only have you know 10 really awesome clips that you could
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pull out of there but those five of those clips minimum never would have
39:05
come out if it was um in this thing it only came out
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because of the organic nature of natural conversation now it's staged and it's taken that whole thing as as gone yeah
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you've done radio before I don't know if you've done have you done multiple people
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I've been to multiple people in radio like several several people in a booth talking and going at the same time yeah
39:31
yeah yeah why well I did a radio show uh I had a co-host and we would have you
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know other people on you know you you had a technician you had a
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producer yeah I was my own transmission and producer actually I had to do the old photo yeah what I mean you get what
39:48
I mean now you come in you're put in front of a microphone you're told what to say
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you're told what's coming up you're told this you're told that there's I think it's starting I it started uh radio
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itself I listened to Q107 Toronto stations it's what I grew up with you know 104 uh I used to walk past uh CHUM
40:11
FM and Chum am every day uh I grew up in that area and watched
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them they I mean back in the day when they doing the bullpen that came out of Toronto the the whole Bullpen atmosphere
40:24
the multiple people uh derringer's still doing it very well in the morning right
40:30
yeah he was still around John Derringer oh yeah yeah yeah yeah he still does the morning show at Q107 yep
40:37
it used to be Scruff Connors
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I'm older you know uh but it's it's a
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different atmosphere I don't even to be honest like even going out to the events anymore
40:53
they're not what they used to be cannabis event yeah yeah
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well I I feel like even um the Cannabis events are trying to
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keep up with the market but a lot of them don't even know what the market is it will never be the same I hope that
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Sarah can keep going with the karma cup find a way to do that because uh I love that atmosphere I know a lot
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of people uh and it's it's your crammed into a cage like sardines having
41:27
fun and there's big plumes of smoke and you're saying howdy howdy howdy but I don't know if we'll ever get back to
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that they're talking about losing restrictions we'll see what happens yeah I would like to I would like to see
41:38
because I understand that you know um the karma cup is not a you know it's
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not lift it's not put on by a legal license yeah
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yeah it's a legacy um event um before legalization was here and I think
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this is going to be their ninth I believe well I would like to see okay so like you you remember they moved us um
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for 420 out to Woodbine Park yes like I know obviously but my Park is
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not it's not great um because it's all wet it's like it's grass right but but I
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would like to see a nice big open space where we can actually have Karma Cup
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this year like you're saying rather than being it's never done a parking lot in a
42:31
small unless it's on private property and the owner says okay it's never gonna
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they moved now you move the 420 celebrations from the Toronto Dundas
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from what do they call it uh square and then they moved it to City Hall
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um they didn't they didn't move them they were told they're not allowed to use
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City Hall yeah I know that they wouldn't give them a permit and we went there anyway
43:02
you know blink blink and then eventually they said we don't want you in Dundas
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Square anymore
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we took over the downtown corn and you know they allow that for the what for
43:22
the for the global Marijuana March they allow that they allow the parade and
43:27
blah blah blah I don't know I think the real issue um I don't know if you remember um like the first year it went
43:33
from Young and Dundas where over to the um City Hall uh it was
43:39
fine or they they didn't want to give us a I say us like it was me they were doing
43:45
they were doing the festival without permits they said no yeah they went there anyways and the cops were there
43:51
and they um I remember that was the year that Katy Perry brought one of those megaphones because they weren't allowed
43:58
to have um microphones or speakers or power or they like literally
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wouldn't let us or like do anything um they tore people's tables down because before you could sell flags and
44:11
whatever they wouldn't let you do anything like that um and then the following year instead of putting up a fight they went to
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Woodbine and that was the one that was a compromise yeah yeah it poured it poured and it was it was
44:25
horrible but like April 20th generally is although we did get nice matching rain
44:31
suits for that we did and we brought a tent we were dry I'm surprised you're
44:36
not dressed up in a little onesie today well I got my mind we did consider onesies
44:44
but you know the atmosphere is different the the I
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don't know if it'll ever be what it used to be uh but then neither will Yorkdale in the 70s or Yorkville I mean in the
44:58
seventh you know Toronto in the 70s was a very unique place yeah so where where where does it go
45:06
what what do you see happening as far as events go yeah like like let's
45:13
let's assume let's assume you know all of what we're experiencing goes back down you know we restrictions are gone
45:18
life goes back to you know you mean like all of us like freedom and Main Events are back like what what where does these
45:26
do these kind of events just explode because of two years because it was starting to kind of move
45:31
they're still going on there's there's there's many events still going on uh
45:36
under Under the Staircase so to speak right uh you have to know somebody who knows somebody
45:42
to even find out where where and when and then you have to know somebody to get a password to get in
45:49
um I know that uh uh Paradise has finally opened their doors again uh Planet Paradise they've opened again
45:57
I don't know if they're allowing uh consumption or not uh they've always pushed it Unfortunately they were
46:04
Central is gone uh so I think that uh going forward
46:10
we're going to see a lot of people trying to pull off outdoor events as opposed to indoor events because
46:17
to house an illegal event indoors now uh people know that you're going to lose
46:23
your building if you get caught you know it's that serious now uh but to have a bud swap or an event on
46:31
private property uh is a little bit different there are some farms and stuff
46:37
like that that have private parties uh they're starting to have events like
46:45
Karma Cup on the reservations yeah that's funny um I've seen an advertisement
46:53
um advertised and and like you said we used to send an email to the email
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address
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because I helped Paula uh run the events at gunjanistas and at first
47:12
old guy standing at the door come on in and then next 250 people lined up up and
47:19
around the [ __ ] corner and the cops doing drive-bys you know uh but even
47:26
after the raid we kept going uh I know many of our vendors
47:33
um have either been absorbed into the legal Market or they're still going
47:38
uh con Conrad Floyd went from being a a
47:43
bootlegger basically to owning a legal bunch of stores now he has the
47:50
village cannabis and he's got several stores now he's just started running the one in Hamilton that he started doing
47:57
which was the original cannabis culture in Hamilton that's uh uh Brittany
48:04
was used to running at the time yeah was that was that place um that he was just talking about there
48:09
that's the place that I I went to one of my first events ever with you right yeah yeah gunjanistas yeah
48:16
yes sorry you had you had confused me um dude I I like went to
48:24
um the Hamilton Vape Lounge in my mind yeah Anthony's did you go there with me
48:31
or was that Chris who's this exactly but um hold on let's
48:38
have this conversation you tell this story about Anthony really quick
48:44
um he I don't know if he still has that place Mr hugger yeah so I love Anthony
48:52
Chris later okay so you guys go ahead I'll smoke this
49:05
fair enough they were supposed to be open I parked I got my lead I like went
49:11
to go in um I opened up the door and I'm standing inside his place and the lights are off
49:17
and I'm like looking around and I'm like what's that
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sound beep beep beep
49:29
beep ing oh my god did I set the alarm off hello
49:36
hello nobody's here I was like oh my God oh my
49:42
God like walked out the door I was like you never found my car I said
49:48
sandwich I was like um are you here I'm at the store I'm like I'm watching your door because now I'm worried that the
49:55
police are on their way and I set your alarm off and then like not even two
50:00
minutes later he pulls up and he hops that he was like I just went to get coffee or something forgot something
50:06
then you forgot to lock the door but he set the alarm he thought it was hilarious and we sat
50:12
down and spoke to join after but I didn't think it was all that funny when I was like you must have been scared shitless I was
50:18
I'm like that's not a girl that's not a great area oh I went back to the car I'll open the Mustang Chris because I
50:25
was like take my weed hide it hide it yeah I wouldn't hide your weed yeah you
50:30
know at one when I first started uh I went to the event up uh at
50:38
by the airport with uh and I and ran into Tracy lamari and uh we I ended up
50:46
giving her a lift back to Hamilton and then we went and had something to eat and then went to gungeonistas and
50:53
that's when I met Paula man I just never left but back then
51:01
you walk out the front door of gunjanistas and there was dispensary dispensary dispensary dispensary
51:07
dispensary over here over there across the street and it was just screaming cannabis
51:15
and it was screaming bust me no but they left everybody along alone
51:22
for for a long time and then they started closing they started closing them down because
51:29
the the the non-legal Market got involved or the bad
51:35
guy and they started closing places down
51:41
um but excuse me it it was sad to see like at one time
51:48
there was six dispensaries just in a row along King Street
51:54
paulus was one of them and uh if you were medical they left you
51:59
alone pretty much uh unless they got a complaint but if
52:05
you were just opening the doors uh they watched you like like Conrad they
52:10
watched him for a long time uh but then people started going to the
52:18
markets and the Markets started getting very popular because there was no restraints you walk in there's a table this is the
52:24
products that this guy has yeah you go to another table this is the products that this guy has you know you've been
52:31
to a market now right Tim yeah I have yeah
52:36
you will to answer your question you will never see a Karma cup or a treating yourself
52:44
Expo type of event with the legal Market it will never
52:50
happen to change then they're not going to continue
53:00
like like Lenny okay he's uh I believe now the CEO of turo cannabis
53:08
okay and uh he can't mention his business on our podcast
53:16
you'll notice I always bring it up yeah no there's a lot of
53:23
but yet yet Tweed can put Billboards up all over the city of [ __ ] trucks apparently you're allowed to
53:30
um from what I understand you're allowed to talk and like show a product or like show your store but you're not allowed
53:36
to show the price or whatever like um but but there are stores that are
53:42
breaking this like I've seen when I was going through the a w drive through the other day I took a photo of one of the
53:48
stores here in the town that we live in um where it's actually showing that they have two dollar pre-rolls or some [ __ ]
53:54
like that and I'm like that's illegal I believe it was Woodstock cannabis
54:00
decided to strip everything out of the store that is
54:05
cannabis anything yes take the window covering off even even
54:12
at the at the lounge in Hamilton one of the things Paula had to do was put curtains up and you know what that is
54:18
when you're dealing with stuff that is that valuable behind in the store it is
54:25
Hazard for the people in the store to have the windows the front windows blocked out or whatever so that way if
54:32
something did happen they can't nobody outside could even see right yeah they used to say if you own a convenience
54:39
store or you know just a regular in and out store uh don't put things on your windows don't put your your display
54:46
cases up on the Windows you want the crowds you want the people outside to be able to see like a bank a bank but it's
54:54
all changed even banks are now they're hidden in there but you wanted to be able to see what's going on so you know
54:59
the cops going by and there's a guy with a gun
55:06
yeah there's a lot of regulations that don't make sense like there was one that uh
55:12
the only thing is is well there's a reason why I'm bringing up this one specifically is that you you were
55:19
allowed to gift cannabis to another adult right now gun Genesis was actually doing
55:26
some really good work in Hamilton with giving up cannabis to people that
55:32
actually needed it and apparently they didn't even like that no
55:39
with a whole bunch of people and told us [ __ ] you you're closed
55:46
even though it was an outreach program that was just being run like helped by
55:51
one of them I'll tell you the actual story uh
55:56
Paula had decided because of the climate with the legal stuff coming up it was best to close her medical dispensary
56:03
which she verified people blah blah blah blah yeah okay had it for many years
56:08
going um but we were still running the lounge and
56:15
it was just a lounge when they came in I wasn't there Vicky was the only one that
56:21
was there they came in uh the the town or the city people came in and then left and then
56:29
the police came in hordes of them from what I understand with battering rams and everything
56:35
or to to close down a place that had a one employee who was doing pre-rolls
56:43
for said hope for our our program uh giving cannabis for opiate replacement
56:50
uh and I believe there were two or three other people in there in wheelchairs
56:57
having medicine yeah it wasn't Hoards of people in there there wasn't
57:02
wasn't like a party or anything it was literally they knew what we were doing on Monday nights or Tuesday nights you
57:10
know so they they shot us I think was two days before 420 we were setting up a it was horrible so like I said I don't
57:18
think that it with the legal Market I don't think that that atmosphere will ever uh it they're trying uh to loosen things
57:27
so that if you have a business you should be able to run your business the way you want to run your business
57:34
right you shouldn't have to have all these restrictions and [ __ ] like that but there is so you have to
57:40
uh find some of them make sense but like I don't know when you have to do half of
57:46
them blindfolded on one foot while you're hopping backwards that seems a little much I've recently started going
57:52
to Canada Cabana okay uh because I'm cheap okay I'd like
58:00
to play pay cheap prices I don't mind a hundred dollar ounce let's put it that way okay uh or even cheaper from the res
58:08
and I've gotten into the habit of when they go and get it oh can I have it
58:15
I want to squish because this right here what I'm doing is the only thing that you are and some
58:22
stores probably won't let you do it yeah you do to find out do I want to buy that
58:27
if it's really hard oh okay yeah yeah because you can't open it
58:32
you can't look at it yeah you can you can't see it you can't
58:39
smell it you can't when you buy hash you get a container some people don't some companies don't use the containers but
58:46
they're in these guys yeah in these bags right yeah
58:52
open if you took that jar to your friend like and you showed them and be like hey
58:59
man try this stuff and they tried it and they looked at that little jar of hash and they went into the store they
59:05
wouldn't be able to find it because it's sold in a freaking bag well yeah I mean if I had to buy like you know a thing of
59:12
avocados in a bag that was Black cover and stuff like that it would be in a box you're like how in the world am I
59:18
supposed to know if these are the right ones even even the uh beverages you
59:24
can't it's got to be covered you can't just see what's in there but you know it's a drink
59:30
well I heard recently the whole one sec the whole 28 gram thing drives me nuts
59:36
because you know I go up 20 no you cannot purchase over 28 grams no you
59:45
can't you can't purchase you can't purchase over 28 grams do they not sell
59:52
single grams no these are two so oh but that's a concentrate that's
59:59
different but that's my point I can't go in and purchase a bag of weed and some cash I have it in
1:00:07
one transaction I have to do too you can but you have to buy a smaller bag
1:00:13
oh yeah yeah because the way it works out is the
1:00:19
amount of the concentrate is 30 grams of butter amount of concentrates so it has to I
1:00:26
know because you think 30 grand yeah see in eye medical and but that doesn't
1:00:32
matter I know in the current laws it does not matter that I have a
1:00:39
license for x amount of grams per day that I can carry with me
1:00:45
I know 28 grams employer about this because I wanted two ounces one Indica
1:00:52
one sativa yeah they gave me the Indica first I paid for it I took it home
1:01:00
yeah I could have took it to the car and dumped it but no I took it home I came
1:01:05
back and they wouldn't sell me the other ounce they said 24 hours I said you got
1:01:11
to come back tomorrow I said no no no no that's not the way it works and I said and I'm medical and I tried to argue
1:01:17
with them and then finally because I worked there they're like you know what we'll do it this one time don't make an
1:01:23
issue and I'll just say I don't work there so I don't know if that's but but
1:01:29
I got both houses what I said was uh I'm the host of the 420 radio show
1:01:35
I've had your boss from head office on my show I know what I can get away with and they rang it up twice and and that
1:01:44
is why we have a show well because we want Power um
1:01:51
it has been an honor to have you on our show for multiple reasons I heard it was
1:01:57
the interview on that side actually I've
1:02:03
never done any of you I feel so lucky and special are you sure
1:02:08
you shouldn't well I have something special coming up
1:02:14
nice okay um what uh so final words from your end now how to I I've listened to
1:02:22
to the show multiple times um I just I like hearing MJ's voice
1:02:27
just hear her side of things you don't hear us yeah but what uh so 420 radio
1:02:33
dot CA people can tune in when when when does the show air those type of things we're on Fridays at 7 pm Eastern Time uh
1:02:42
my co-hosts are Mary Jane as well as Marcel uh and uh Darcy and Lenny and uh
1:02:53
whoever pops me out whoever Dale comes in the the neighbor the
1:03:00
neighbor yeah we have Jack Lloyd on the show uh quite frequently uh he's been coming on there for I can't remember how
1:03:07
long uh I like to tell people that uh at 420
1:03:13
radio you know what we're here it's consistency yeah okay well you know
1:03:20
what's happened Friday night seven o'clock I'll invite somebody once that was a guest
1:03:26
yeah and then he became a host who was Amy so were you so was so was Ross and
1:03:32
so was you know we just love it and we like hanging out so you know it's an
1:03:37
open invitation whether you want to come and watch or you want to come and comment or you want to come and actually
1:03:42
like hang out we have guests that asked me how long is the show as you know we
1:03:47
go from Seven till nine oh I don't know I mean I can maybe do 20 minutes so okay well however long you want to stay and
1:03:54
then we don't leave quarter to ten yeah yeah that's what I
1:04:00
mean the love of conversation will never will never leave um well if uh if there's ever a point where
1:04:08
the team ever feels that uh MJ needs to be promoted to not newbie
1:04:15
then I can come in and bring a newbie yeah bring me on and then MJ can can at least be one of the doobies for once
1:04:22
she always has a doobie you know that except for now because I'm going to get one I know I'm surprised she's gone this
1:04:28
long I'm very proud of her all right Al we want to thank you again for I mean like once again you know if
1:04:34
you're you're first your first is here with us I popped your cherry you pop my cherry yes we really appreciate it Al
1:04:41
thank you so much 420 radio everybody check out Al and the team cheers to you
1:04:47
420 radio and we'll get you one and tomorrow you
1:04:53
can hear Mary Jane uh embarrass me uh about how badly I am as a guest every friend
1:05:00
no I would never do that you were a great you were a great guest I've forgotten what I've said you're welcome
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