Marcel Gignac | 420 Radio | The Noobie and The Doobie Podcast | OTS #21

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[Music] this podcast is for adults only should
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not be used as a meal replacement and may contain nuts
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[Music] hey everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Newbie and the
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Doobie my name is Timmy I am the Newbie Mary Jane I am the Divi today we're very
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excited to have with us on the spot Marcel from 420 radio and many other
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things the titles are many you say yes uh Marcellus had many titles over the
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years it's a man of many hats and yet not wearing one tonight
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keeps everybody on their toes yeah thanks for joining us today Marcel
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oh yeah hey I'm happy to be here uh so what's up it's been a while since
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I've been on the interviewing side interview east side yeah you're usually uh doing this with yeah well alongside
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with me it's funny because I'm the one on the 420 radio show that I think is the most clueless about cannabis right
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like you guys are like Growers and and Al's been doing this radio thing in the industry I forgot I don't even I might
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want to say because that might that might age wait so you're the me on their show yeah
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she's actually our newbie yes oh that's so awesome the Doobie is also a newbie
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it depends on which crowd you're hanging out with okay because people have already started
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to wonder they're like what happens to me if you gain too much information and You Begin knowing about all this stuff
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and then even start to consume on some level and I'm just like I'm so far behind yeah it could be years of
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information before I can pull the Newbie tag off actually you can learn quick yeah that's
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the thing because if you look at over the last I'm going to say 10
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10 to 20 years is when information really starting out about we started
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coming go to boat cannabis I mean I've started using cannabis back in the
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70s right oh I'm glad you brought that up
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yeah in the 70s with cannabis uh I lived on the east coast of Nova Scotia
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or of Canada in Nova Scotia so growing up um in the 70s
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we had limited choices of what you get for cannabis it was homegrown that was
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usually about ten dollars an ounce whoa say that again
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homegrown be about ten dollars an ounce ten dollars wait what does that compare to now there's a gram and there's 28
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grams in an ounce oh my goodness yeah but ten dollars in the 70s was like a hundred and fifty dollars
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no no no there's no way no um and then but you could get good
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strains too and they were usually around twenty dollars an ounce that would have been Acapulco Gold Colombian gold
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Jamaican red hair strains like that um but they all had seeds and and stuff
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in it right unless you got unless you paid a few bucks more so what started
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coming in is it slowly progressed into sense Amelia yeah and that was the big
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name it didn't really nobody even cared what the strain was it was sensimilia which meant it was
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pot without seeds it was just female buds that commanded a higher price
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um I think the highest price I saw in the 70s for an ounce was eighty dollars
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and this stuff would just blow you away I I think it would be worth it those seeds
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actually but there was no seeds this is what I mean like if if you were to buy
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the other stuff your your seeds weigh so if you're getting 28 grams of seedy weed
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you're actually not getting that much well a lot of it is seed and you gotta pick it out and if you don't pick it out
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then you get a firecracker in your joint and they taste bad I mean the seeds are great for the oil
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because that's a medicinal product um but not for smoking uh they're great
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for growing yeah okay and uh but then it progressed to hash
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so in the 80s is when the hash started coming in and the hash would come in off the boat
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into Halifax and then being dispersed to the rest of Canada so we had first choice in the hash so I mean hash was
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coming in at like three dollars a grand um where is it where is it coming in
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from who who is Distributing um they came in from tires in the
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insides of the tires it came in buckets off the Navy boats it came in in
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containers um it it came on vehicles it came lots of
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different ways and large quantities of it came in I just want to say Marcel you'll
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probably use to this so um somebody I know within my
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neighborhood I don't want to say who but they're like older um and they were in the in the Navy and
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they said um they would smuggle it across in like you're saying in big um in big pails uh
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what do you see I think they were the old peanut butter or I don't know I can't even remember they would throw them off the side of the ship and it was
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like long things and then they'd go back at night and they'd go back and get them after they like docked they would they
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would like yeah he's like and then we just smoke and sell and smoke and I
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don't believe anybody in our military would do anything like that why would you mess with peanut butter
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Marcel weren't you in the military yes [Laughter]
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but just one cool thing about the military and we used to laugh about this
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I'm sure they still do every base has a drug dealer or three
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everyone is a buddy yeah there's always drug dealers but
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the stuff the military guys get is the same stuff that the cops get
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right so when the cops go to the dealer to buy theirs they're getting the top-notch stuff not the crap this was
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back then yeah yeah um now I mean the cops can go to the liquor store and the military can do that too yeah but yeah
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when they had to have their dealers cops and Military were the only people
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never to get ripped off by dealers makes sense yeah that's a smart dealer
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yeah yeah and dealers stayed very well in business hmm I remember one time in the 80s when
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I was in the military I was part of a we were on a course and the whole class
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was subjected to a anonymous drug test
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and it was completely Anonymous that you had to have hide your name you cannot mention your name to anybody during this
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drug test so there was no way anybody could identify who's this was in what jar right but I was in a class with a
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whole classroom full of people that were totally freaking because they were just in my house the
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night before having brownies oh man so we went in and we we did this
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Anonymous test and then a couple months later the report came out about the anonymous
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testing and the fact that the fact that 85
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tested tested positive for cannabis oh wow I want to know who the 15 were of
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the Canadian military oh man because they did these tests right across the country in different places right
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so wow
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oh no they were testing for there was other drugs found there was LSD found there was coke there was all kinds of
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things right 85 yeah that's high
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yeah there were definitely something but
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for good reasons oh yeah I could see uh PTSD and like I
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not just that for some it's mental alertness um with without cannabis I'm not alert
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at all I actually have a I'm like in a fog yeah so I don't I don't do that
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anymore because I don't like that feeling but I also don't like feeling High
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so I have to limit how much cannabis I use because I I guess I'm a control freak
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so it's taken me a while to figure out the right balance so that I don't have so much that I get high
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but I'm still comfortable and focused thank you that's that's where that's
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where I'm at like I I do I do not like the high thing and part of it might be a control thing I've always wanted to be
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you know sound mind you know that was the big thing especially growing up in the church it was always like you know you know don't don't mess up your brain
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and I didn't like the one time that uh Mary Jane I'd smoked three times and one
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of those times I didn't like the disconnect and so now I'm realizing learning about the endocannabinoid
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system and learning about the fact that there could be a a benefit to me I'm not
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exactly sure what it would be and what dose and what method would allow me to get there but I'm trying to that's where
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I want to be I want to find how much can I take without feeling high but to get the benefits of it so Marcel actually
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um started taking cannabis oil as medicine right and this I you you have to tell
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this story because I remember it wasn't working and you had to change something oh I changed a lot of things
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I I went to work um the morning of New Year's Day of 2008
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and on the way to work something wasn't feeling right
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with me so I was also uh one of the ones responsible for first
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aid for the company so I went in and checked my blood pressure and my blood pressure was a
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little off and because it was New Year's Day there wasn't a whole lot on but I found a manager working and asked her if
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she ever ran a blood pressure cuff and she said oh yeah my husband's a diabetic I said well come check this so
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she came in checked it and she said is there something wrong with this and I said no she said do you want me to call
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you an ambulance I said no I feel fine I said but that's a little concerning
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and my arm is kind of numb he says I'm just going to drive myself over the hospital
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I worked an hour away from where I live sorry on my way to the hospital I
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thought well if they go to the hospital they keep me there then I'm going to uh have
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a vehicle stock an hour away from home I'll drive home so I drove home
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um pulled over a couple times inside the Rope because it was just a bit too dizzy to see got to town thought well I'll go
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to the house first because I'm not going to sit up there and wait in the waiting room because it's always a wait
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come in picked her up and went to the hospital and walked in and said I think I'm
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having a stroke and they took me in and they tested me and they tested me and they tested me
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and they come back and they said no it's not a stroke take these five pills and go home
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and come back and see me in five days so I took the five pills
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five days later went back saw the same doctor and I he said how did you feel on those
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I said it didn't do a goddamn thing for me he said that's what I was afraid of
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he said you need testing he said because you either got Ms he's no he said you've
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either got ALS or the worst case of Ms I've ever seen oh I said well let's Overtown Mass I
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said these people don't die from that he said well explain that to my aunt that just died from Ms he said people die
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from MS every day they just don't report it I said oh isn't that nice to know
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so I went home and I started researching and I had a family doctor
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at the time that was an idiot um
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he and he was an idiot to the point where I fired him
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um in his waiting room rather vocally because he tried to tell me that all my
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problem was is that I was depressed and that I should be on antidepressants
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and I said so you're telling me that depression causes pain
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He suggests exactly he said then I said well is it a chance that pain causes
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depression he said yes he said but I'll write your prescription for Oxycontin
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because I am Dead Set against narcotics
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and I always have been so he got fired and
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was reported the calling to Physicians for being an idiot and pill pusher
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um about a year later he was fired for basically
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a patient went in complaining about stomach pain constantly and all he did was give him Oxycontin and the diet guy
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died with stomach cancer oh my goodness so they figured well get rid of him so I
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went and I got the doctor that saw me in the emergency room and he became my family doctor
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and between the two of us we learned a lot and I ended up having to go through six
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MRIS two CAT scans my entire body x-rayed over 200
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blood tests and a lumbar puncture in
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in a year basically it was a year to get that done
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uh got sick on January 1st um by
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the middle or the end of January middle of January the end of January I was in a wheelchair
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um and it progressed and it was a just constant nightmare living hell
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but I started researching almost right away and one thing and I researched differently than everybody else I don't
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go looking at what a pharmaceutical company has because I've never trusted the pharmaceutical company
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pharmaceutical company we'd have a very poor business model to
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cure people all right that's not how a business
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works you don't get rich by curing people you get rich by maintaining their illness I didn't want anything to
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maintain this I want it to be better right so I started researching kind of
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backwards because at the beginning we didn't know if it was ALS or Ms because
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of the amount of tests that I end up having to do
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one thing that I found was that cannabis was beneficial for both Ms and ALS
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and everything was on smoking it and around that time Rick Simpson had just
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been charged and gone to court for supplying people with cannabis oil
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saying that it cured cancer so I got a hold of Rick and I went out and visited them tried his oil
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did not like his oil did not like how his oil was made I decided to come back do my own
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research and started making my own oil but the whole time this is happening I'm
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still progressing my doctor wouldn't sign my papers for cannabis until I had the definitive
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diagnosis which is why I went through the hell that I did for testing was to
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get that diagnosis so I but it didn't matter I was using the Cannabis regardless
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um legal or not but when I became legal the day I got legal
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um earlier that week I got the diagnosis and once I got the diagnosis then right
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away I belonged to the MS Clinic because I have MS and these are like the
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biggest pill pushers in the world um the drugs that they would want me to
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would that they wanted me to take would have cost a taxpayers 150 000 a year
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and that was every year but they didn't expect me to live more than a year because of the form of Ms I had so when
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I finally went to the MS Clinic and saw the neurologist the first thing he said he said I have no idea how you're still
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alive he said you've got Progressive relapsing and mass he said you've got a Marlborough syndrome he's that syndrome
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he said is it even looked at because it's never realized
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until after death he says usually death is within six months of onset of
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symptoms and this had already been almost two
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years but I was using cannabis Within
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the 40 days because at first I was smoking it then I was eating it
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but I was still progressing so it was helping but it wasn't secure all end-all
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um I thought my appendix had burst so I was rushed to the hospital um
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get to the hospital they check it out appendix is totally fine there's something else wrong
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I said is there a chance it's the Ms and they said no it looks like you're full of multiple tumors or it's the worst
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case of colitis we've ever seen we're not even going to do a scope we're just going to open you up they opened me up
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and then they took everything out and then they put everything back in and
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stitched me up then they said that well you know how Ms
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can actually close and restrict your throat closed and I said yes and they said well that's what it's
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doing your small intestine would you like some oxycontin because there's nothing else we can do
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when I says no I'll try something else so I went home and I started increasing
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the dose of oil but I still couldn't eat or drink so I'd lost just over 100 pounds in three months
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um getting pretty fail frail at that point
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um I spent yeah the three or four months was pretty much bedridden
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and the problem was is I was consuming like five grams of oil a day which would be equivalent to 50 grams of cannabis a
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day it's a lot wow yeah and I wasn't getting any relief
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but I wasn't getting any relief and all of a sudden the light bulb went on
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in my head as I'm laying there in pain and evening and it was basically if I'm not eating anything I don't have
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anything for the lipids or any lipids in my system for the cannabinoids to attach
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to therefore I'm not getting any relief so I started mixing it with olive oil and it worked great
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uh well I won't say it worked great it definitely helped to the point where all
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of a sudden my intestines were relaxed and I said I could get small amounts of food down before they'd Spas them
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um and around the same time they come out with a new procedure called ccsvi and
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it's basically it's phenyloplasty in your jugular veins because almost everybody with Ms has a a
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deformation of their vascular system which is what causes it to a lot of
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people so this was relatively new uh my doctor
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again I was still going downhill still progressing like doctors did you get
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your fares in order because you're probably not going to make it till Christmas this procedure was done in the states
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they wouldn't allow it to be done in Canada because it was too dangerous so they claimed
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so friends and family started fundraising and raised twelve thousand dollars and I flew down on a weekend to
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New York had the procedure done as an emergency patient on a Saturday
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when back on the Monday to get a an ultrasound to make sure it worked and
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then back on the plane and back into Nova Scotia um over a weekend at the same time my
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aunt was having the same procedure but because she's a heart patient it was perfectly safe and she was having hers
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done in Halifax and didn't have to pay a cent
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Express so as soon as that procedure was done and
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literally what it was is a catheter in your leg up through the
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heart into the jugular vein on either side and blow those jugular veins out with a
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balloon essentially break busting the valves so now I have an issue that if I bend my
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head over I'll black out or if I turn my head too far to the side
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I cut off the blood my arms will go numb
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um so it's little things you learn to live with but
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as soon as the procedure was done I said it's not the answer it's a key there's a key to it but it's not the
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answer so I went back to researching and I started researching the interaction of
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lipids and cannabinoids on the CB1 and the CB2 receptors and I
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found a study I think it was out of Sweden or Switzerland that was done years ago where they gave
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um high amounts of Omega-3 lipids to mice or rats
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and some they gave Canada and they gave them all cannabis and then some they
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gave a high diet of omega-6 and the omega-6 mice
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ended up being these fat slobs that just crawled over the food trade to eat and
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that was it while the omega-3 mice were all these buff little monsters that were
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running on the treadmills and just bouncing around the cage all the time they took that research to say oh we've
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got to look at Omega-3s for weight loss and left it is that
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I talked to research and decided that another light bulb went off
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and the fact that the cannabis plant itself is like
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every other plant it has a root structure it has a stem and has leaves flour
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what makes it different is there's over 50 000 uses for that plant
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and I as I'm laying in bed trying to think how can I make this stuff work
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better it Dawns on me that why haven't I tried using the oil from the plant
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to be the carrier because everybody else has used coconut oil olive oil I've tried all of those
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and they're all omega-6 fats so it meant I had to start doing some
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research into Omega-3s and Omega-3s had this very
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concerning issue that you can't heat omega-3 lipids
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um as soon as you take omega-3 lipids up to 50 degrees Celsius they're no longer
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omega-3 they're now omega-6 it's kind of like taking THC a and heating it up to D
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carboxylate and it becomes THC right um
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so I had to come up with a way that I could mix cannabis oil
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with the hemp seed oil to get the full benefit of the Omega-3s
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once I did that I thought well vitamin D works the same as
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cannabis that in that vitamin D attaches to the lipid let's try vitamin D and see
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how it works in that same mix so I started making the capsule of
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cannabis whole plant cannabis extract omega-3 lipids and vitamin D
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because I always knew vitamin D and Ms had a correlation I was getting a yearly vitamin D test
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your low threshold is 75 your high is 150. mine was 28.
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so and I was taken about 10 000 IU of
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vitamin D A Day In Those little stupid pills but I thought no let's try this so I
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went and I got liquid vitamin D and I started adding a thousand IUS per capsule
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okay a year later so I started this all in one shot I got my vitamin t d test done
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I started a new formulation problem was is I was taking such large amounts of oil with olive oil
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before that I figured all right well I'll just take the same amount of oil at the same ratio the first dose I was high
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for three days well yeah because it affected so much
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so I had to cut back and re-titrate everything
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and start all over again but still meaning maintaining a thousand IUS per dose
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the year later I went in and my tests came back my for my vitamin D test come back
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at 74.5 after a year
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um and my doctor said well he said you figured it out he says he's not even
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going to bother worrying about it anymore he said that it's close enough for me I
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said what was close enough for me too um and that actually so when I first
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I played the game up until the day that I got my
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uh license in hand for my Canada's license
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so I got my cannabis license in hand I had already arranged a grower and I had
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a grower already set up the day my license showed up my grower showed up and handed me a pound
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oh that's great he said to get you started and it got me started and I then
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went to my doctor and I said all right let's work on a schedule to get off of these 27 pills a day
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wow and that's what we did and the hardest one to get off of the
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antidepressants I mean I did Gabapentin I had it on I had so many of them but the hardest one
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to get off of was the antidepressants because getting off of those was nothing but a
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constant relapse all right and so if anybody going
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getting off of antidepressants I feel for them because I suffered that for years that whole
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time it was there was no difference with that the so my wife's gotten off of
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hers and she's gone through the same thing and I said now you see what I was going
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through and she says I have no idea how you stayed alive I don't either other than I was stubborn
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because they said I would die because there was no treatments and it would be nothing that I could do and I wanted to
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prove them all oh so I started getting better almost as soon as I get off the Pharmaceuticals I
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started getting better um ended up firing the MS Clinic and
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Reporting the entire Clinic to the College of Physicians they responded by
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sending out a letter saying that I was no longer allowed on their property
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um so me and neurologist we don't know me and Ms Specialists don't get along
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and my problem is is every doctor out there that says they're a specialist
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became a specialist from reading a book the books that they're reading were written by other doctors that did not
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have the disease but they were interpreting What patients were telling them and these books were written over a
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hundred years ago and the problem is is people know how to
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articulate themselves now and I read all those books because I couldn't go to work I couldn't
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do anything except trying to find out what was wrong with me I've literally read tens of thousands of PubMed
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articles I I'm at the point now where I do it just for fun
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right because I've read so many of these things um there's cold covered things been an
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awesome Blast for me because everything I read contradicts everything
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they say foreign
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so I so how many how many years were you actually did you get sick like how many
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years was it well since 2008 oh until 2013 is when I started the the
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formulation with the hemp seed oil um
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2006 is when we filed a patent for it
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oh yeah it's a special technology because it's it's so it actually has
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yeah it actually has a US patent to be used as a treatment for multiple
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sclerosis um sleep apnea uh
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uh another one and huh um
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smoking cessation so what so what I did is I hooked up
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with a couple individuals to that I was hoping were somewhat or well
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one of them was really intelligent still is the other one turned out to be
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a bit of a bonehead but regardless 50 that's not bad yeah
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um what I did is I said look I can make it do this formulation in in a pat
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patentable formula and they said what do you need to prove
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it I said I need a small lab in about an hour
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and they said all right let's see what you can do so we went to the lab
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and mixed everything together and in an hour we had cannabis whole plant extract cannabis
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oil in a powder that could be compressed into a capsule or have another inner ingredient added
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to it and pressed into a tablet so we've started running our own small
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clinical trials as part of our patent and we tested on patients with MS
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um we test with patients with MS we did one on Ms we did one on
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PTSD and one on arthritis and spinal cord
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injury or something like that I think I forget it's been years and it was so much fun
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but we had to use patients that were legal
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because we had to try somewhat quasi-legal this was all before the Cannabis act nightmare too so we were
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still under the mmar okay so we decided well we'll use license
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patients get them to agree to nose no consumption
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of cannabis in the form of ingestion other than the capsules that we provide
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and so we did a a double-blind
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trial for the first one with placebos and we gave
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two groups nobody knew who got what it was impossible because there was three
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of us that were involved in this making sure that there was no way all of the and then all of the reporting
34:26
information it went to another Doctor Who compiled all the data so I said in about three days you should
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be able to tell who has placebos and who has cannabis
34:41
and he said all right we'll see three days later he told me who had cannabis and who had the placebos
34:47
it was only three milligrams of THC and one milligram of CBD per capsule wow
34:55
right so what we did is very quickly we've proved the point that low dose
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cannabis and is much better for a patient than high doses and getting them
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so high they don't know what's going on and scaring them off
35:14
um I don't like how clinical trials are done
35:19
where they give half the group the drug the other half group gets Placebo and at
35:25
the end of the trial everybody's done and everybody goes home we we didn't like that I'm not a fan of that at all
35:31
so what I did is although the patients that did the trial that got the placebo
35:37
at the end of the trial were then sent a two-week supply of the medication and
35:44
to report back how it felt um and brave reviews across the board
35:51
then we decided we would on the next the subsequent trials after that is
35:57
the one thing that we never really questioned well I just are you still smoking cannabis or have you increased
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or decreased so we started making everybody record how much cannabis is used when they used
36:08
it um for the whole and report that every day
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along with taking their one capsule in the morning and one capsule in the afternoon
36:20
um at the end we had an as as an average of 40 percent decrease in the amount
36:25
smoked with one patient actually going as high as 70 percent so that's 40 to 70 percent savings
36:35
for a patient right away by using these low-dose capsules and I think that's why
36:41
the U.S patent took that one on as a smoking cessation because we proved inequivocally that we
36:48
could do this and you'll smoke a lot less if you're going after the relief not the
36:54
high so that's the biggest problem that I have when I talk to people is
36:59
is you want to get better but you know the difference between relief and high because
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pharmaceutical companies will get you high all right and to mask the relief whereas
37:12
low-dose cannabis were already proved we've proven for years will give you the relief but not the
37:18
high and if you're not getting the high are you getting the relief all right right let's see we used to
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just buy our stuff for everybody down the street and if you didn't feel high you assumed you bought garbage right but
37:32
you were looking for the high but so if you've got a strain that was actually high in CBD all right so one of the
37:40
those strains say say uh what have a jackal or something like that it's like
37:45
seven percent CBD and three or four percent THC you smoke it you're not
37:51
going to get high but medicinally it's going to make a phenomenal oil right because it's going to make a whole
37:58
plant extract that's higher on the CBD side everybody is is
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in this country every country they're going to the same route as Pharmaceuticals and they believe that
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the pharmaceutical industry has their best interest when these people are taking cannabis
38:18
and trying to run it as a pharmaceutical by isolating each compound they're literally destroying the plant
38:25
all right and the benefits for it so I've been an advocate from day one
38:30
all right I don't like certain solvents because they leave so
38:35
many different cannabinoids behind all right so I like a solvent that will remove all of or as much as possible of
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all the cannabinoids because medically you should have the widest range of cannabinoids available they
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were put on the plant for a reason utilize them isolating them and saying oh well yeah
38:55
we found this one and it works amazing and it does this but it only does it when it's with the rest
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right it's that they call it the Entourage effect I call it the Synergy
39:07
all right CBD is great
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but on its own it sucks THC is great but on its own it sucks put them together
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just THC and CBD guess what they still suck
39:26
put the THC in the CBD with all of the rest of the cannabinoids that were on that plant
39:32
and it's amazing what parts extract
39:39
yeah but even then you got to be careful because some people out there will say it's a whole plan extract because they
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put CBD and CHC together see I'm confused between full spectrum
39:51
and and whole plan I thought whole plant was just taking
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the whole plant and extract again but well it is it's a whole plan is is
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basically you're removing all of the cannabinoids now let's go chemist chemically a bit
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the compounds on the plant are known as cannabinoids and it's that little ball little round ball that goes on a little
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Crystal stem that has all of the cannabinoids in it and the cannabinoids are soluble
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they're either polar soluble or nonpolar soluble so if you go back to your green 9 chemistry class all right about polar
40:36
and nonpolar I failed that class all right so what it means is is a
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nonpolar solvent will remove nonpolar solubles
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nonpolar solvents would be like um ethanol gasoline naphtha hydrogen
40:58
alcohols alcohols and hydrocarbons that type of thing would be nonpolar solubles
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if you use one of those to take the cannabinoids off you're only getting
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nonpolar solubles right if you use a solvent that will actually
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remove both polar and nonpolar then you get all of them
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and there's only one solvent that does that and in Canada it's safe but in other
41:29
countries it's not because they denature it to make it poisonous
41:35
right please tell me what that is I can't remember it it's isopropyl isopropyl
41:41
alcohol okay that's what I thought because because I heard they put stuff in it in America and whatever so that
41:48
way you can't use it right it's called denaturing and literally they poison it
41:53
poison it um I think with methanol or something like that um
41:58
but in Canada it's not but the problem is is you have to remove
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all of the solvent so it's it takes some specialized
42:09
techniques and to get it to do it right and not everybody can do it
42:14
but it's easier for the large corporations to quote and
42:21
buy a hemp crop and run it through a CO2 extraction and then run it through
42:27
distillation and collect out all the CBD or just the THC and sell it as isolates
42:34
right so Delta 9 or Delta 9 THC is the most
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predominant THC on the cannabis plant it's also the one that converts to
42:46
hydroxy 11 in your liver which gives you basically a hundred
42:52
times the strength of THC for your body Buzz High whatever you want but
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it's because it's ingested into your bloodstream the majority the discipline that's out
43:07
on the market that's being used by everybody is Delta eight disc lit which
43:12
is basically a byproduct of CBD distillation so it's cheap
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and that's why they're using it medically it does nothing I mean
43:25
the placebo effect is a true condition and I think a lot of people
43:32
think that um there are companies out there that made a fortune selling hemp seed oil
43:38
calling it sativa oil and saying that it would cure your cancer but really it's still hemp seed oil
43:48
but some people will swear that they cured their cancer and the mind's powerful tool yeah right
43:56
unless it's a tool that has the mind but I personally I don't like the taste
44:03
of distillates um like a lot of different uh that's the drinks drinks of
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distillates a lot of the um the chocolate and the gummies have like the
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the oh some of them are just so bad like I will say I remember this is karma cup and
44:21
this was like years ago and apparently they've fixed fixed their problem but some they were handing out candies and
44:28
as fast as it went in it came out because literally I could have oil taste
44:35
better than that but yeah the one thing they have people
44:40
forget is medicine isn't supposed to taste good I mean cannabis I don't like the taste of pot I really don't like the
44:47
taste of pot I hate to taste of chlorophyll even more so I had to come
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up with recipes that were unique and none like what everybody else did so
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I started making recipes for myself and then I started sharing those and then
45:05
entering those into comps and the one thing that I did was all of my
45:12
entries into cops had the chlorophyll removed and that is the majority of the bad
45:18
taste um when you're cooking with cannabis
45:24
see I've never I've never tasted that taste of what the chlorophyll taste that
45:30
you're talking about but I know that if I make something if I baked something for you you wouldn't be able to eat it
45:37
because you would be able to taste it I know we've had that conversation yes yes and that's exactly it so it's a matter
45:43
of green butter um so how do you remove that though uh because okay so I recipe sometimes
45:51
use butter and most people use their green butter which they use in
45:57
their magic butter machines which is great I've had six of them eight more away and whatever but
46:03
um I because I have I can't do the
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chlorophyll I turned everything into oil so instead of taking hours to make a
46:15
batch of butter it takes me 90 seconds and I literally have a video on YouTube doing that in 90 seconds and my butter
46:23
comes out gold and you cannot taste you may taste the oil which are the terpenes in the
46:30
Cannabis that the oil was made from but you won't taste that chlorophyll which is going to cause reaction on the gig
46:36
reflex to a lot of people pull myself included the oil itself doesn't taste good CBD
46:43
oil on its own tastes worse right um and it's strain specific on how bad
46:51
the taste is and how bad you want it but I make a lot of edibles
46:58
a nice guy a lot of trophies for cops um
47:04
and people can't taste cannabis in my edibles and I don't use isolates and distillates
47:10
and a lot of times it might be a much lower dose than you think you're getting
47:16
or no it's actually a much lower dose than what you'd be expecting
47:23
but hit you harder than what you expected right so
47:30
the issue that we have on the market now is we've got a legal Market that sells
47:37
maximum of 10 milligrams per dose but that's and like for the
47:43
most part it's distillate so that would be equal to about three milligrams or two milligrams of whole plant extract
47:51
then you have a gray quasi-gray black market out there
47:56
that are doing Edibles and they're putting on 200 milligrams per gummy
48:02
right per dose um and then people think oh yeah well
48:08
that's freaking awesome well what they don't realize is that that 200 milligrams was a quarter gram
48:16
of oil all right which would have easily been
48:21
enough doses for 75-80 patients
48:26
right but when they eat it
48:33
they foreign they get high but if I gave them a 20 milligram gummy
48:42
they would be wrecked but because it says 20 milligrams which
48:48
is actually how much would be in it all right a bogus number that I picked out of the air
48:55
they won't buy it yeah so it's too low
49:00
right yeah because they think that they've been eating these 200 and 500
49:06
milligram Edibles well same thing with THC and cannabis
49:12
people are looking at you know I want 20 plus 25 THC but you know as well as I do
49:19
that you can have a strain that's 13 15 THC and still hits you like a ton of
49:25
bricks that's right because it's not the THC it's all the other cannabinoids that are in there and the balance in that
49:31
strain so there's that all of the LPS I mean they're all
49:38
they all went in with good intentions in the beginning because they thought they were going to go in and help the medical patients then they realize that oh wait
49:45
we can make more money by selling it to the recreational Market
49:51
right and they all kind of just threw the medical to the side
49:56
and went after this recreational this quick easy recreational money
50:07
right but yeah the recreational Market have no clue what they want or need because all they hear is THC THC so they
50:15
went in and I've seen them in the the the stores saying yeah whatever's the
50:21
highest THC yeah yeah why they're uneducated right so they go home
50:29
they try it oh yeah I got really wasted it was great yeah yeah yeah yeah
50:35
but if I gave them something that I grew my backyard they would have the same response if
50:42
they didn't know what the THC content was and I've been smoking indoor and outdoor
50:49
for a long time and I'll tell you I prefer outdoor because it gives you a better buzz
50:55
want to get high I smoke my outdoor stuff that's interesting it's a I find you can
51:03
get bigger hardier bugs from outdoor growing than you can from indoor growing
51:09
maybe that's just me and the way I grow maybe my indoor lights are not as strong as the sun
51:15
but I mean something to be said about nature well I've always said this I mean
51:22
the only reason people grew indoors was to hide it okay they had to come up with a way to hide
51:28
it but to grow with indoors you've got to duplicate Outdoors it's not easy the first thing you do is
51:35
you get lights so you need a thousand watt s of light all right each light's got to be a
51:41
thousand watts and that'll give you roughly four feet by four feet of an area
51:46
so it's funny you say a thousand I use a 315 maybe that's why yeah but that's
51:52
ceramic metal halide so I had to put note that's footnote the equivalent about 600 watts
51:58
okay so yeah but still I'm running at a six instead of a thousand so if you're not paying for a thousand so a thousand
52:06
every thousand watt light that you have running on an average grow will cost you an
52:13
extra fifty five sixty dollars per month on your power bill just for the light that's not the fan that's it exactly
52:21
that's just the one light but I'd like to read yeah
52:27
um so patients that need to grow because they
52:32
can't afford to buy it these are exorbitant prices that they sell it at the liquor stores for
52:40
they have to decide well this is what my power bill is going to cost me and water but I have this nice
52:48
big backyard and the fence will only cost me this much and I can use the fence over and over and over
52:54
all right so a lot of the patients that grow for themselves
53:01
tend to grow more outdoors and now enough all kinds of going to die
53:06
growing I grow indoors too well there's other months of the year
53:12
you know if I look at my indoor cost per gram of growing to be somewhere around 50 to 60
53:20
cents per gram not including my labor and I look at my outdoor crop costing me
53:25
five cents a gram not counting my labor
53:30
kind of makes sense why grow outdoors right yeah I'm a medical patient I use a
53:35
lot of cannabis and you've had some really big plans too like we're not talking Jimmy seen my
53:42
garden indoors so he's only seen you know like yeah little plants they seem
53:48
big to me because I have nothing to compare it to yeah imagine a plant taller than you okay so there's my
53:53
background that was one of my indoor crops it was just a fun little test that I was doing but let me just change my
54:00
background for a second here
54:08
and how are we doing for time not too bad doing good we're probably
54:13
about uh 10 minutes we still got some time
54:19
yeah I do love cannabis and in all its beauty with the different colors and the
54:26
you know the really healthy cannabis leaves look really shiny on the top and just the way they feel like a cat tongue
54:33
on the bottom like they're just so unique oh that's your outdoor that's my
54:38
outdoor that's like a Christmas tree um it's my Christmas tree farm yeah wow so
54:46
how so how tall is the tallest one in the back maybe what do you figure eight feet
54:52
wow that's impressive that's uh you have a couple of sativas in there right there
54:58
those that crop actually that whole garden is that your or this year was all
55:03
mostly sativa this year will be mostly indicas and they're still going to run hitting
55:11
close to six to six to eight feet when I'm done nice yeah so when do you start your because
55:17
that means you have to start them indoors I don't see anything like this last week you started you started them last week
55:25
yes so did you go outside okay so wait so because we don't know when this is airing so what time of year are we
55:32
starting this way it is okay so it's he starts his outdoor plants the last week
55:39
of January is that right yes but so I think that's crazy because like
55:45
my friend and I were having this discussion because this is the problem so many people wait until like March or
55:52
April because people say get your plants out May 2 for yeah but people don't do it I
55:59
do well you need to just just so people understand if if you put out a baby
56:05
plant this is what you're starting with what Marcel is doing is he's growing a plant inside from now basically until
56:13
he's ready to put it outside so when he puts it outside he's got almost a like a
56:19
big plant right no not at all that's not what I meant
56:24
see this is why I'm the Newbie on their show a couple years ago
56:30
um I went searching for a strain um because medically it's a very good
56:36
medical strain it's got a nice balance of CBD and THC um
56:42
but can you tell what the strain is or is that oh yeah yeah it's um
56:48
Grimace OG okay McDonald's and it was done by archive
56:56
seeds and I've always loved this strain and to me it's it for a neurological issues it's a beautiful strain
57:03
but we went searching everywheres and we ended up contacting every contacted
57:09
archive they no longer have it they said there may be seed banks that
57:14
still have it so we started contacting every seed bank and planet which would have been hard because a lot
57:21
of them were still Underground uh no this just a couple years ago
57:30
the um so we we
57:36
turn around and I called a friend of mine who actually does a lot of seed collecting and does a lot with strains
57:43
and they said if you get a chance to find grimace that you have Grimace he said why would
57:48
you want that I said I just want it he said all right he said I'll look he said but I got like 7 000 pack seats to
57:56
go through to find it whatever you find I'll buy
58:02
and he'd come back and he said I got one pack I said give it to me
58:09
so I bought the pack and I grew took half the seeds I grew them out
58:16
selected the best male and talk three of the best females
58:21
and put them into an undisclosed location together to grow up and have
58:26
little seeds okay and I had them all numbered and I
58:32
had one phenotype that I liked those seeds are what I just cracked here
58:38
last week um okay actually it was a week ago Monday
58:45
so this is what Wednesday that's when I cracked them they're all up under the lights now they'll get
58:50
their first feeding the end of this week and I'm going to grow those up
58:56
and probably three weeks to four weeks I'm going to flip them and when I say flip them I'm going to
59:03
put them in the dark and I'm going to force them to flower oh cause you want to sex them
59:09
as soon as I see which ones yeah but as soon as I see which ones are males and
59:15
females I'll kill the males and I'll keep the two best females
59:22
and I'll re-vege them and those two plants will be the mothers for all the plants in my garden
59:29
so I'll cut my clones off of them oh that's why you start so early because you're starting from seed and you're
59:36
growing a mother to practice right and then chances are right for the mothers O2
59:42
and flower them out the mothers are usually good for getting a at least a pound per plant two pounds per plant
59:59
how is there like another is there a fence like is all of that fenced in like like do raccoons like cannabis plants no
1:00:07
I have a large alarm system too so my the raccoon actually a raccoon set the alarm off once jumped off of that wooden
1:00:14
fence and the problem is it's a drop of a hill on the other side so it had a
1:00:20
good 20-foot drop before it hit the ground then they've never
1:00:26
no so the back wall
1:00:31
or the wall that you can't see that would be to your right I guess is is the
1:00:37
back of my house so I have a wooden fence going down the side of my house and then I've got eight
1:00:44
foot wire fence on two other sides okay
1:00:49
and it gets all sunlight and I'll win so I have very little issues with powdery
1:00:54
mildew and mold um I don't get major old breaks or anything like that because
1:01:01
I get so much wind in that area but I plan on moving that garden and going to a larger Garden
1:01:07
a larger footprint in the spring but I gotta cut down all
1:01:12
my blackberry bushes first wow so how how many plants does that
1:01:18
represent back there in that in that photo in that Garden right now 20.
1:01:24
Oh see it looks yeah it looks way looks way more than that it did I've never seen I mean I I'm so used we've got lots
1:01:31
of conversations but I'm so used to you know like actual outdoor Garden that's
1:01:36
like that's crazy I had I had the police here one day and one of the cops said
1:01:43
I've never seen plants like that before can I get a picture of those
1:01:49
I said sure So he takes a picture and he's taking pictures of these plants he goes these are beautiful I've never
1:01:55
seen plants like this before in my life he says this is awesome great about a week later a friend of her
1:02:02
show was up yeah I saw your plants what do you mean you saw your plants oh he's
1:02:07
well he said some cop was at our house showing some girl these great plants that he saw
1:02:14
oh dear and as soon as the guy saw it he recognized the garden so you said yes he's a nice looking
1:02:22
Garden cops don't know the code you don't show people other people's plants
1:02:27
man didn't tell them where it was I mean these guys know better than to do that
1:02:33
anyways but your buddy's like I know that how do you
1:02:42
oh those wouldn't go those don't go you're just those those are finishes those are in flour
1:02:48
okay so what I do is you need Harvest Fest to come back so we can actually bring Timmy
1:02:53
out actually let me see if I can find a picture here um
1:02:58
yeah they started out much much smaller than that the um
1:03:05
so they start just like the baby's over there when I when they wrote
1:03:10
actually I probably have a picture of when they first went out
1:03:16
yeah your garden is no longer impressive no it's not it's just a four by four especially when you have them you had it
1:03:23
full with plants I was like whoa that's a lot of plants it looks cool I know and now it's just kind of like yeah you're
1:03:29
not like Marcel's Garden well because nobody's Garden
1:03:35
but no I'm you know I only have so much room in 10 years but I think they look
1:03:40
pretty tall they are kind of tall I mean you've made me go in there and turn the box around
1:03:46
and stuff I only have seven feet of grow speed so
1:03:54
actually a little less because the um oh sorry it's a light thing
1:04:01
so normally I have lots of room to walk in around those plants when I first start yeah yeah that's still after
1:04:08
a good month of vegetation Outdoors when I put plants out
1:04:13
they're usually about a foot high okay now
1:04:19
um it just depends on how long it's going to take these mothers to produce the clones and then the Clones to root
1:04:24
and grow up to half decent size but ideally if I can have them all topped
1:04:30
before they go out then I usually have taught them one more time
1:04:35
push them out and let them go we're gonna need uh we're gonna need a
1:04:41
tour of them that's because of because of the whole you know thing that we're
1:04:46
in the middle of which the the word that I will not mention um but uh you know I haven't had a
1:04:52
chance to like I'd like to go and yeah like see like like the walk into a
1:04:58
garden like that would be very interesting that's super cool yeah and and
1:05:03
indoor gardens I mean not like mine but like you know yeah I've seen some of
1:05:11
like the really big right but Mary Jane's doing this challenge thing and one of her
1:05:16
challenges that she's supposed to be doing is eating the Donaire which she can only do in Nova Scotia
1:05:21
which means you guys have to come to Nova Scotia before
1:05:29
all right come on down there let's let's shoot for September and I can teach you
1:05:35
this other cool thing called trimming he's trying to get us to work
1:05:43
I machine trim trimming trimming for me has become much easier as I get older
1:05:51
because I don't give a [ __ ] anymore so I just throw it all in and trim it all up
1:05:56
with um but I can get a crop done in you know
1:06:02
three days instead of three months oh like Darcy who's still trimming third
1:06:07
week in a row yeah every time we do a show Darcy's sitting there like this so
1:06:14
this will be three weeks oh well that's dedication yeah Timmy tried it and he didn't like that oh the stickiness on my
1:06:20
finger that is the literally the worst
1:06:25
I wear gloves I don't like that sticking this either but I don't know that I break out so
1:06:31
okay well that's the thing well I can tell you uh we will we will plan that trip to Nova probably in August because
1:06:38
one it's my birthday and two um I like taking photos of buds and I know it'll
1:06:44
be good times okay so we'll we'll look at trying to do a summer trip Marcel it has been an absolute pleasure to chat
1:06:50
today um I learned a couple things number one that when someone tells you you're gonna die you can pretty much
1:06:57
accomplish anything like like what you would say you're like I'm not dying
1:07:03
that that story was amazing and what I loved about that story even more than
1:07:09
the health journey and seeing where you've come from and where you are today and everything that I've created from that is that it pretty much made for one
1:07:16
of the easiest interviews ever I just sat back and listened to your story so it was it was absolutely fascinating
1:07:22
like like I say it's normally I'm on the other side yeah and I get to sit and
1:07:28
listen to other people's stories this is a nice change for me oh well no it was very nice to hear you
1:07:34
that was a nice change for you it was a very nice change for me normally I'm always like I'm always like going but I was just like I'm like
1:07:41
watching a good movie up and yeah wind me up and let me go and I'll let you entertain for hours
1:07:49
MJ do you have any final words before Marcel leaves um none other than I'll see you tomorrow
1:07:54
wait no I'll see you in two days any idea when they might be posting this
1:08:01
uh that's a good question no let's uh let's let's find out irregardless I'm
1:08:07
gonna still give a shout out and I hope the truckers are still there
1:08:12
Yeah well yeah that that could very well still be true so you're totally free to
1:08:18
come and visit anytime yeah whichever comes first which is funny because they uh the truckers did
1:08:24
say they had enough money to fuel the trucks now to stay till like 2025. yeah
1:08:31
so and who knows this will go out before then yes oh yeah yeah eventually
1:08:36
somebody will come up from Under The Rock it will it will either be a it will either be a relevant reference or it
1:08:42
will be something that people will attack on and go oh that's so nostalgic so either way it's a win-win so thank
1:08:50
you thank you Marcel for showing us the picture for telling your story for all that great uh education we really
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appreciate it and I'm sure we'll be in touch going forward it's been a blast excellent thanks
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Marcel thank you [Music]