Chef Jordan Wagman | Cooking, Psoriasis, Wellness & LIFT | The Noobie & The Doobie Podcast | OTS #27

On The Spot with Chef Jordan Wagman who is "changing the world one conversation and meal at a time!"  Jordan is a James Beard Nominated Chef, Best Selling Author, Cannabis Culinary Expert, Philanthropist, Psoriasis Advocate & Dad

During our conversation with Jordan we discussed his personal cannabis journey, how cannabis helped his psoriasis, the importance of overall wellness, his passion for cooking & the navigation of a "noobie/doobie" relationship.  We also looked ahead to LIFT San Francisco and the new exciting experience he's bringing...to the table :)

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ABOUT THE PODCAST:
He’s from the Church.  She’s from the garden...of Weeden.  They’re from different worlds with the same goal.  To engage & explore the cannabis culture...from both sides.  

Join medicinal user, model & advocate Marijane Baker and non-consumer, former youth pastor & current clean comedian Timmy Boyle for a unique, funny & educational look into the magical, controversial and, for some, forbidden world of weed.  

Timmy & Mj (a real life “mixed” couple) bring their cannabis pillow talk into the public domain as well as inviting guests, from inside & outside the weed community, to help educate, entertain & inspire the other noobies & doobies who are tuning in.

Transcript

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[Music] this podcast is for adults only should
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not be used as a meal replacement and may contain nuts
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[Music] hey everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Newbie and the
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Doobie my name is Timmy I am the Newbie Mary Jane I am the Dewey we are so excited today to have with us on the
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spot Chef Jordan Wagman um somebody we had met at Lyft here in
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Toronto not too long ago and uh very excited uh to have him on the show today
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Jordan welcome to on the spot thank you both thank you both nice to see you I am
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loving those glasses The Vibes right away are pretty outstanding these old things they match the uh the pants
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that's awesome sweet I don't normally show waist down because I do a lot of
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these shows without pants I'm completely against pants but today it's uh today it's pajama pants
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um so amazing amazing well I'm not wearing underwear if that if that counts for anything I
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love it I don't think any of us are so three four three today on the on the spot podcast I love it
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I love a little bit so so Jordan we uh we only we met you briefly and in that brief conversation this is what I love
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about um getting off to these cannabis events and um sometimes MJ gets embarrassed when
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she'll say to me I think I'm just really going to see my friends and I quickly try to remind her and say it's work and
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I'm like no I just I love my friends I just want to go see my friend just substitute the word networking in there
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with senior friends like these events if I I think there it's completely about the people I mean it it it's the Pat the
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event is the packaging but I mean the people is what makes the event and it's what makes all of our
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Journeys work yeah to me like as soon as I met Jordan and he started talking about his story and which will we will
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get into later but I was just like oh my God like this is yet another person the Cannabis has changed their life and now
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he's going about it changing other people's lives with the education I'm like oh okay
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maybe I should stop because I'm jumping ahead she'll get way too far down I know ask him your favorite question you know
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you know what's funny though I just have to say for a long period of time people didn't even care what the event was in
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cannabis it was just an excuse to get together especially post pandemic right yes yeah no that's true I mean like
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that's why we have 420 and 710 and I think we did uh was it February
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February 10th we did because it was like halfway to 4 20 one year just because we really wouldn't want to wait we'll just
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throw one in there sure why not why not but um okay so I'm gonna ask the question it's it's literally the only
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question we ask on the show because it's my favorite question is I always am curious about your first experience with
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cannabis whether it was like how you consumed it was it a pleasant experience did it lead to you know an everyday
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Journey did you kind of take a break from it what what was your first
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experience you know it's funny because I as often I
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as I will either speak on on on my show or do something like this no one has
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ever asked me that question specifically about my first interaction just you know
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when did I but not how did I um I remember specifically my brother was
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in uh he was in probably the 10th grade so I was in the seventh grade
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and or maybe he was in the ninth and I was in the sixth so I was about 12 years old
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and we did bods for the first time bottle tokes where you would take a
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piece of hash and you would put it at the end of a cigarette and you'd put it into a bottle back then it was like an
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Ever fresh bottle and you'd you know you'd create this beautiful hole in that ever fresh bottle using a dime or or a
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penny and um
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oh we lost you oh lost you there we are you're back now you're back oh the smoke
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would go into the bottle and I'm gonna put me on do not disturb so that doesn't happen again but all this all the smoke
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would go into um into the bottle and you'd inhale it
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and basically you were inhaling hash smoke as well as cigarette smoke and it
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was disgusting and it was disgusting and it's not to say that I didn't smoke
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cigarettes throughout my life a little bit and especially when I was younger not not as you know a real adult but
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um I hated it and it that was my first that was my first experience with was
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with hash with hash but then once I started once I was introduced to
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cannabis um it was Cannabis all the way always I
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was definitely green over black yes always yeah I always found uh the hash was too
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strong for me and I agree I was a cigarette smoker but even doing the BTS
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the bottle tokes um there's a different way you inhale cigarettes than you inhale the bottle
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toke and I don't think you're meant to have nicotine in there yeah I mean it's just it was ugly and
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you get that Head Rush it was just no bueno it wasn't something that I you know really and it's not to say that I
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didn't do them for many many many many years to come but I was either a masochist or
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I'm not really sure why but maybe I was just a masochist well that would have been uh that would
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have been what I believe to be true growing up in the church so anybody using cannabis was some sort of uh Off
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the Wall uh completely uh crazy human being so now I'm finding out that
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there's only a small handful of cannabis users that are actually really crazy but that's that's in conjunction with the
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regularly and lazy right and lazy that there's you know it's funny how there's that misconception how you know you know
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it's it's that Spicoli jumping out of the VW van right with that Haze of smoke
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and that lazy sort of connotation that's been associated with us and and the
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opposite is true you know we're just not lazy uh actually pretty motivated and most of us who are you know daily
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consumers of cannabis do so for solving for a need State you know we do that for
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a reason we don't only do it for recreational reasons yeah well certainly I mean as a as a chef I I at one point
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in my life was married to someone who had gone to uh she had been trained as a French chef and uh she used to talk
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about the the hell of the kitchen and you being a chef I mean certainly uh if
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cannabis was disabling uh your ability in any way or causing any sort of
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especially being around food you can't you can't pull that off and and I think what I what I learned
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um over the last five years as I've you know kind of freshly into kind of
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experiencing any of this is that that misperception of the lazy stoner
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was really founded in the fact of the only people who really talked about smoking weed were the people who didn't
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care and so all I ever saw was these lazy Stoners because the motivated
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people the doctors the lawyers the chefs you know the you know they didn't talk
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about it so I would never have known they even smoked cannabis so I only saw the people who were bold enough to sit
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there and go I smoke it I don't care what media portrayed like we've talked a couple times about Cheech and Chong and
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how brilliant they were at creating these characters of course we all know that Tommy is more in line with the
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character that he plays on on you know yeah or television and camera but uh
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kudos to them for creating these characters but not really because they did us a disservice because now we're
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fighting against the stigma yeah I I I even think
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back then um and I was going to say the same thing about Cheech and Chong you know I just
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think these are characters I I think that you know chefs are the biggest Partiers and always have been you know
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it's it's one of the biggest party Industries Hospitality that exists so true and all the chefs we know yeah like
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I mean from Coke to you know pills do you name it I mean think about that life
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for a moment and how you survive and so what I would argue is
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I know very high functioning people that you know that that were always consuming cannabis and
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I was one of them and didn't come out of the quote-unquote Cannabis closet until became legal why because I was a father
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and although my kids obviously knew that every time I dropped you know my son off at Hockey that I would go into the you
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know go to the parking lot and smoke a joint and then come in obviously I smelled but like you know I didn't hide
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it very well but I didn't come out and have those discussions with them until it became legal so all of those people
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back then you know were probably you know obviously keeping it under wraps because it just wasn't legal and these
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characters that were created are you know are images and stereotypes that we
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are fighting against each and every day and so you know that's at the core of it what I know to
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be true is most people in my world who smoke cannabis or consume cannabis on
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the daily whether it's through you know combustible means or or otherwise are actually some of the
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most high functioning most successful people I know and so you know I use this
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analogy my life is always at peace when I have 15 saute pens going concurrently
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on the stove right I have I have my my real estate agent coming over and the
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people that I purchased my new home from coming over so I can learn all about it tonight so there's six people six of us
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dining tonight I'll probably make four five six different things I have no idea what I'm making there's ingredients in
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there and that stuff doesn't stress me out because that's just what I enjoy but
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it's you know it's those that have created these stereotypes quite frankly that
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you know it's it's what we unfortunately have to fight against when we're trying
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to secure dollars for Partnerships for events what we're trying to you know fight against when it comes to even my
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conversations with my new girlfriend and her friends where it's you know the conversation took place are you going to
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be okay dating a stoner right right and she's never done she's never done a drug
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in her life she's never consumed cannabis she's never ever ever done anything like that so she's a newbie to
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all this stuff she's in our boat okay beautiful beyond that's awesome never
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her first words to me were and I love it because I make fun of her often I've
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never and I quote done the marijuana oh that's sweet doesn't that doesn't
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that say it all that's fine anytime we put the word the in front of it
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no that's awesome um that's actually one of my favorite things about being
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um an advocate and an educator and the non like the non-stereotypical stoner
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when you look at us right like Jordan you know you surprise people and you say oh yeah and I also cook with cannabis
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what yeah yeah I use cannabis and I can educate I'm like but but it's those
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people that you you touch those people that they have never even tried it or considered trying it what happened twice
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yesterday so I moved up north into I moved up north two hours north of Toronto and to my dream place and both
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of and I've met both of my uh neighbors one of them brought chocolate chip cookies over to say uh hello the other
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day and welcome the other one yesterday brought a blueberry loaf okay and and
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both are Foodies that's awesome but they you know when they asked me what I did
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for a living because I I introduced myself not as a I'm not a cannabis Chef I'm a I'm a chef
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and cookbook author I've yeah I've been cooking for 31 years right yeah I'm not
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a I'm not a basil Chef or a cilantro Chef I'm not a cannabis Chef yeah um when I tell them that you know I travel
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and I educate on infusing cannabis and food and beverage and I'm in the Cannabis space they look at me you know perhaps a
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little you know sideways but then I follow it up with this tomorrow I leave for New Orleans why
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because on Monday I'm doing a culinary cannabis demonstration at the American culinary Federation in New Orleans at
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their annual general meeting and they look at me and they put their glasses up and they say
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yeah okay and so you know you can do your Google you know you're goggling on
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me and you can see my Accolade but that's not what it's about when you start to validate
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cannabis by way of integrating it into mainstream culinary school curriculum
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now we're talking about next level change and we're talking about that going down the pipe it's not them who
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I'm appealing to it's their children their children's children and so on and
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so on where cannabis will become part of their daily life where they'll be able to purchase different cannabinoids and
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terpenes in tomato soup and seltzers 100 so that's where I'm super excited
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because I I firmly believe that when the government made cannabis illegal prior
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to that I feel like not only were we smoking it but we were making salves in medicine and we were eating it and
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juicing it and using it like any other vegetable or plant out there that once
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like you're saying it you start at the culinary schools and it starts trickling down and all of people I guess we start
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going to the restaurants and we can start eating this stuff then it gets into our cannabinoid systems like
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this is my dream I want cannabis everywhere on hillsides in restaurants
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and you know there will not be it's it's there's this misnomer this it's not a
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misnomer it's there are people who classify and and call themselves
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cannabis chefs and I believe that that term will fall by the wayside as culinary schools begin to introduce
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cannabis into the curriculum everyone will be a quote-unquote cannabis Chef just like they are a lentil Chef or a
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potato Chef right we're just not that's not who we are it doesn't Define us as culinarians it's just another tool in
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our toolbox this is how you do it this is how you do it safely it's how you do it repeatedly that's at the core of the
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education and culinarians that I educate at the highest level who are Michelin
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star who have James Beard accolades whomever they are these people understand how to infuse cannabis in
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food and beverage in five minutes because they're it's not it's not
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brain surgery like at the core of creating great
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I'm going to tell you a secret and it's here first ready okay all right go ahead
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you ready okay all right at the core of creating great cannabis food and
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beverage you ready at this here's the secret I'm told no not at all great food
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and beverage that's right that's the secret yeah yeah at the core of creating great cannabis
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fruit and beverage is creating excellent phenomenal over the top
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incredible food and beverage if your food is good your food is good if your drinks are good they're good regardless
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of cannabis being in them or not my food doesn't change right so that's at the
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core of being a good culinarian just because you know how to infuse cannabis in food
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and beverage only makes you one thing someone who infuses cannabis in food and beverage not a not a chef not a cook not
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a cannabis Chef it just makes you someone who infuses cannabis into food and beverage I mean it's going to be
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good either that's the point that's exactly the point you know remember we we just did we just did um judging for
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um the ICC the indigenous Cannabis Cup that's coming up uh soon in July and um
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I wouldn't even eat one of the items because I'll tell you it literally no no
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I'm not [ __ ] you I use that word on purpose if you remember which one I'm talking about I'm sure it was a tag and
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it literally it was a peanut butter a hard peanut buttery center with a
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chocolate layer on top and it literally just looked like a turd and I'm like like seriously you couldn't
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like sprinkle some sprinkles on it or like drizzle something else because like so unappealing and and there's something
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to be said about visuals too I'm just gonna say it's gonna look good well I mean that's it you know certainly yeah
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it's an arch right you're you're an artist I mean everything you're saying there I I related to completely through
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my journey in comedy I've been professionally doing it since 2009 with an unwanted break over the last few
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years but the at first when I started because I grew up in the church I always
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labeled or people wanted to label me as a Christian comic and at that point I
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was like no no hold on I just want to be a comment like I do know Christians like I don't even do Christian Comedy I just
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happened at that point to be a comedian who happens to be Christian whereas a
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chef who happens to smoke cannabis and that actually happens to smoke cannabis okay I'll say this it irks me that on
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our podcast we need to change it so on our podcast like like who are it says
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that Mary Jane is a cannabis model or cannabis Advocate and cannabis model and
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I'm like yes I am a cannabis Advocate because I advocate for cannabis but I am
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a model artist but I consume cannabis just like you
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said I'm gonna call it like it's not the defining Factor no no and it's it's it's all too often
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um it's how people want to be pigeonholed but what it is that I do every day is actually not fight against
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it because I don't have to and the fact that I'm in the space the fact that my
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friends are in the space Romaine Avril you know who's come into cannabis who we're going to write you know we're
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writing another book together there are tremendous tremendous talents
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who are who are now cooking with cannabis who are using cannabis from A
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Mixology or food stuff perspective and these people every day their involvement
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in it of itself helps to destigmatize they don't have to say a word their accolades speak for themselves in the
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quote-unquote mainstream right my accolades speak for themselves in the mainstream yeah but it's it's really all
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about you know bringing more mainstream Brands right there are Boston Beer
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Company House teapot you think about Charles Beeler who produces a million
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bottles of wine a year in States um I mean all over but you know he's
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partners with Joel God he has a brand called senorita great cannabis beverage and you know and there are more and so
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the more mainstream brands that become part of our ethos the better off we will
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be excuse me in this sooner we will become mainstream
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yeah I'm super excited about all of the new stuff that we've seen uh at that
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last event we went to like um I I got hooked this summer on teapot but you just mentioned it but on the
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just their their normal um iced tea flavored and now I've seen they have a mango one which I'm super
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excited to try but going into one of those stores you see all of the
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different things that are available and it's just it's so awesome I'm super excited at what's coming next yeah I
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mean I I love to see it and at the same time you know I I look at it twofold
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there's there's two sides to me one is educating the kind of curious and that
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comes in you know by familiar ways of consumption you know obviously for us
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there are amazing flower Brands and we all support them but cannabis food and beverage really is I believe the future
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um and and you know there that's that's really the greatest opportunity as I see
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it is drawing those kind of curious into cannabis using those familiar ways right into noodle soup or food and beverage
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yeah yeah well not everybody wants to smoke right no and I think that's going to slowly
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um I mean just the response to uh um what we like regular smoking
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cigarettes obviously that is that that form of consumption is slowly beaten
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something that people aren't aren't kind of leaning towards oh yes cigarettes definitely um out when when you're on
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your journey though from so from a young age and you're you're going through this journey you're now in this space where
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obviously the fusing of food is very much a part of of what you do especially
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professionally but where in that Journey did that start to happen where did you start to experience that that shift into
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oh wow I'm going to start infusing the food foreign
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I mean the stories the story goes back to when I was a kid right so
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the reason that I I tried cannabis very soon after trying hash was I had
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psoriasis I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease right so
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I spent my lifetime searching for the quote-unquote Cure and I found it or
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something as close to it um 2016
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and it's when I removed gluten dairy and refined sugar for my diet and began
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consuming not smoking and I had always smoked uh cannabis but consuming cannabis with the
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intention of becoming healthier and in 60 days my psoriasis went away and so I
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have always cooked with cannabis um when I went to culinary school in Florida I made you know we'd cook with
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it all the time so it's just that's not new to me as a father
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uh of two incredible kids you know now 20 and almost 20 and 16. you know it's
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it's incumbent on me to set a good example and so I waited until it was
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legal before I started talking about it with them that was also when I came out
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and did it publicly to where I was comfortable having articles written about what it is that I do to where I
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was comfortable launching my own show where I was comfortable just really
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being out there as one of the spokespeople on the planet for culinary and cannabis and you know it took some
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time but you know I'll also say this like I lost my culinary voice uh a long time
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ago a long long time ago you know it just wasn't enough to just be you know guy
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who can cook or plate it just it just wasn't enough and I just lost my culinary voice when I changed my life
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through my diet and imagine as a culinarian cooking with food all day every day for a lifetime and then
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realizing you know at 43 years old holy [ __ ] like it's actually ingredients like
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Foods that's that's been negatively impacting my life the answer this entire time so that's when I really went all in and
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realized that I could teach people both how to eat a cleaner a cleaner diet and
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live a cleaner lifestyle or a healthier lifestyle with the inclusion of healthier ingredients including cannabis
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that's huge we literally I just ate something before the show and my stomach was like not happy and it was funny
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because it was probably tons of sugar and dairy and gluten yeah we've spent a lot of time talking about that because
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that's been my the last five years I've been on that Journey too five years ago
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um Jordan I um well you were a lot happier well not just that but I stopped cooking my eggs in the microwave and
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actually started to cook in them when I first seen him do that I was like what are you doing you know it only takes like two minutes like literally an egg
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what things things like that and then I then I started to to I got my Fitbit I started to track my food and I started
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to understand I started to enjoy now my my breakfast that use I used to save time by throwing my eggs in the
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microwave and it were just plain eggs because I wanted to save time now my breakfast takes about an hour process I
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enjoy the cooking process I add stuff to it avocados I've learned so much though about about
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that and now I've also come come to realize in this same five-year Journey now the the possibility that cannabis
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can be one of those superfoods within you know like you know if I I talk a lot
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about you know the avocado and spinach and these type of things and and I'm like so for me I think the route that
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you're talking about and when you talk about it being the future absolutely like I'm just like I'm like where where
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is where what are those other ingredients that I need to add to my food he's like how do I get to maximize
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my my health and my yeah I mean I for again I the one thing I say often is and
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and truly only in the last couple weeks because I've been just insanely busy but
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um I I'm talking to people about this every single day and and really at the core of
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what I say is this it's it's cannabis has taught me a lot right mostly about the cannabinoid system
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we're an end of one says Dr Deb kimless right we are all an end of one we're all
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individual what works for me it may not for you you know what I'm sensitive to you may not be sensitive to and so on
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and so on what I would say is this at the core of what seems to be bothering most of us in
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2023 or a lot of us is inflammation and although I don't play a doctor on TV I I
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use anecdotal you know everything all of my data
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points are based on anecdotal not scientific um experiences and so
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I would say inevitably um
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that refined sugar is the devil and it causes a ton of inflammation and it is
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in most things that we purchase and if we you know if we we can easily and you
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know I always say one plus one plus one plus one don't don't think of me my story is a little bit different right
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and I you know talk about it at some point I'm sure but my new book really describes
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what this journey has been about but I talk about you know my wholesale changes
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not everyone needs to make wholesale changes incremental Change Plus incremental Change Plus incremental
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change at the end of the year or two or three you've made massive wholesale changes and so I would begin always with
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refined sugar once people do that remove the inflammatory ingredients you know remove the remove the the nightshade
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vegetables um there's what we call the autoimmune protocol the AIP where you're really
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stripping it down and then you're you're you're you're actively and and
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methodically adding back more ingredients or some ingredients into your life I know personally raw Tomatoes
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don't agree with me but cooked tomatoes are no issue potatoes are no issue although they're you know it's not an
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ingredient I should eat rice I've stayed away from Forever eggplant I haven't eaten in
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eight years oh why and I haven't had in 20 years easily
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okay so there's just it's the sugar yep yeah we talk about that a lot too that
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time I'm I'm fully on board with that I mean it's funny when people put up all these other battles even in the realm of
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of oh cannabis and it's like the you know when we look at all the number one killer of this uh of our society right
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now it all kind of all those you know the heart diseases and the diabetes and the Cancers and everything it all seems
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to go back to this other core and people are fighting the wrong Devils it's very true I get told all the time
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you look so fit or you're so skinny or whatever and I'm like dude I literally live off caffeine sugar and cannabis
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like Timmy has said to me numerous times like I'm surprised you have enough calories to even live like standing like
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and and she's not alone in that diet that's the average I want to say American but North American diet
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you know it's funny I call it the big gulp culture and I don't think it's you know it's it's just my own reference to
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we've been so programmed to go to the store and buy
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food and not you know if the one thing not one thing the pandemic taught us
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quite a few things but this is one thing the pandemic taught us is you know how
30:29
many of us how many times did you see uh someone making
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um uh uh sourdough bread or something along those lines like every day somebody was
30:42
making a sourdough bread or every day somebody was making something there were there was a newfound love of making food
30:49
and people got healthier right the universe like our Earth got healthier everybody got healthier you know now not
30:57
mentally mentally certainly a lot of us struggled but physically I think maybe you know a lot of us got a little bit
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healthier yeah but yeah absolutely well one thing I know in the very beginning
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um of the pandemic well when I think was the time when the there was no toilet paper like that time uh what I found
31:15
interesting was that when we were running out of things for some reason the health food section was always fully
31:22
stocked it's like it was crazy to me in the moment because I'm like at the time when we're all supposed to be trying to
31:29
be as healthy as possible to have the best immunities as possible people were still choosing to eat like [ __ ] well it
31:37
depends on the person it's also education I mean you and I both agree with that you know it's about the immune
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system but you know it's also you're out of work and and that's why you know if
31:49
you if you're out of work in the pandemic and you know it was your first thought health or is it survival and and
31:56
a thousand oh chips are so much more yeah I'm gratifying then but it's you
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know price point right it's also a price point so there's this Inception sometimes that
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often I find that good food or healthy food needs to be cost prohibitive and
32:13
that's just not the case it does take a little bit of know-how like you know
32:20
those apples that might be turning a little bit Brown that are in the you know best before section and they're on
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discount aren't those perfect for applesauce I mean what's the difference right the bananas that are that are
32:32
brown aren't you turning them Brown anyways and putting them in your freezer for baking bread like you know like or
32:37
baking whatever so there's a million in one different ways to do this in addition to I always recommend that
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people do what I do and I'm new to an area and I don't know the answer to this
32:50
question but I will soon enough when I build relationships with these local farmers and you know you build
32:57
relationships with these people you support these people and just because a carrot might have two legs or you know
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it's not wide and you know fat in one area and skinny in the next whatever that looks like who cares the carrot
33:09
tastes like a carrot yeah yeah but they can't send that off to the store right it's not going to the store yeah you
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can't go to the store yeah so that's why it doesn't add it's it is sad
33:22
yeah no I think education you touched on it earlier and you're like you can take those apples and turn them into
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applesauce or you can take those bananas and bake something out of them but like I will tell you honestly that when I was
33:35
raised my mother brought me up with I'm a byproduct of if
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you want to make a meal most likely you pull the meat out of the freezer
33:45
and it has instructions on the Box on how to cook it
33:51
the vegetables you grab are in a can and you heat them up in the microwave do
33:57
you it was this this was what I was how I was taught you're supposed to make dinner and we ate it for years and we
34:03
didn't die first thing I did when I moved in here and I'm trying to sell all this you know
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stuff but this is one of the first things I'm trying to sell is the microwave you know hey I needed for you
34:15
space but it's the first thing I haven't used a microwave I can't even tell you in how long
34:22
they're just they're just no bueno and I'm not I haven't used an air fryer either like I just yeah you know I'm I'm
34:30
a little suspect about that technology I don't have anything to substantiate that it just a little bit but
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um you know my my my girlfriend said to me yesterday we
34:42
were shopping and she's like I'm gonna buy you this popcorn maker
34:47
and I said but why I already have many I said yes they're called pots and pans
34:56
right and and lids and Lids actually said pots and Lids I mean that's how I
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made popcorn I put that in a pot and I make it with a lid right like yeah I don't need a whole lot anyways
35:09
um that's funny but if you don't have the skill and you don't have the knowledge on how to make popcorn in a
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pan right it's all the knowledge all education that's at the core of everything that we are right what um
35:21
what's that relationship I mean we we talk a lot about about our relationship I mean you you're in this relationship
35:28
now with with with a new beer than I than my Nubian consumes a marijuana how
35:34
does how does how did that come about and and was there uh was there a weird transition
35:40
was like yeah it's really interesting that's what I'm curious the first time this is the first time I'm actually
35:46
talking about this publicly um you know my my wife and I we're together 31 years
35:54
uh since I was 19 or 20 or whatever yeah we separated this past November
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and uh she is you know like me a lot of
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the time in terms of you know cannabis consumption and um it was very normal right it was just
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very normal um when I met Corey
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I it was a very interesting tiptoe and at the same time you know I
36:34
can't be that I'm very very consistent in my life what you see on
36:42
social media is what you see here is what you see in my real life like there's no real it's just everything is
36:48
right that's just who I am um so did I smoke less yes I did when I
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first met her why because it was really a matter of circumstances she lives in a 15-story you know condo and yeah I don't
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love Heights and so there's just a couple things
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um but you know it was certainly something that I I talked about openly
37:12
talked about from a medicinal re you know medicinal standpoint that this is my medicine that this is you know I
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consume thousands of milligrams of cannabis a day um I do a lot of diffusing like I I mean
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cannabis is just in everything that I do um not the least of which is it's it's how I pay my bills right it's it's what
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I believe in so she understands and and I assure you you know there are and I
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don't call it a habit it's not habitual but there are worse medications you know
37:47
than yeah well I we we met
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um at an event where I was emceeing and she had prop um a tray of cookies well they were real
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cookies but they were prop because I dyed them green because I wanted to give them away to people but I didn't want to
38:04
give away infused cookies but I wanted them to get the gist that they were infused yeah so and Timmy that's how we
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started the conversation so we were we were brought together by by food right yeah and then cannabis infused food yeah
38:19
well he ate like six cookies that day and wait was he was like wait yeah and then then I was like wait a minute I
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need to find out about this no there's no weed in these ones don't worry you know what I learned very quickly as a
38:31
single man for a very short period of time it's funny that I was with someone for 31 years and automatically got into
38:36
a relationship but yeah I hear it um I uh I I I learned very quickly that women
38:43
do like men who cook and play music so you know I had that going for me I did
38:49
lure her through food I I made her Tacos on the first date so
38:55
our for our first date I came in the house in the fire lights I made him spaghetti I literally the smoke detector
39:01
is getting off and I opened up the door I was like come in come in I was opening
39:07
that's a good thing she's got good cookies Jordan I'll tell you that right my baking is on point but my cooking not
39:14
so much well I was from if you can recall kind of conversations that you had with it was
39:21
Corey right um one of the things that the reason why Mary Jane and I are even together is
39:28
because I had come across somebody who although I later found out cannabis was
39:34
she was infused with cannabis I came across somebody who didn't have those
39:39
stereotypes that we talked earlier she had eyes had she not had those green
39:44
cookies I never would have thought that she was a cannabis user it there was
39:50
nothing about her she was fully functioning she was funny she was alert there was so much about her that was
39:55
alert yeah I mean it blew my mind I was like how is she not on the ground
40:01
fully functioning functioning did was it was that cool like was Corey surprised
40:08
at everything that you were doing or she no no I I think I think you know what
40:15
she realized is you know I don't necessarily sit and just smoke
40:20
joints like people's cigarettes I take a couple puffs and I put it out and I go about my business it's just right not
40:27
really a big deal at all um you know I've micro dosed mushrooms
40:33
many many many times likely without or even realizing it
40:38
because it's just medicine right it's just nothing yeah yeah that's that's the next step
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um of Education with Timmy because when we first met I was also micro dosing
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with psilocybin for my pre-menstrual dysphoria disorder and
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it's it I I tried to keep that a little bit more on the DL for the beginning and
41:04
I didn't do it as often or more when he wasn't around and and um now I I'm at the point where I can
41:11
take it and he doesn't know what you're doing it secretly behind my back right now I'm high
41:17
for the show I think it's a love me for me sort of
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thing my perspective it's uh you know if I'm gonna I've spent you
41:30
know I've spent 31 years in a relationship right like my entire life I'm 51 years old so
41:37
I want to I want to be me I'm proud of me uh you know I I'm very very thankful
41:46
two and four cannabis and all the people in that ethos or you know for saving my
41:53
life and for really helping me finding that voice again so you know if I'm
41:58
going to be with someone I'm going to be with them because they're all in for all of me you know not just
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well I find especially in the consumer non-consumer relationship I guess any
42:12
relationship it's about communication understanding it's about
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um education education right um because there was some difficulties
42:25
that Timmy you know to me experienced with me having to take extra breaks and
42:30
you know things like that but there are things that I have had to experience going places with you where a consumer
42:37
is not traditionally welcomed um in like a I would do a lot of do
42:42
Church shows a lot of church shows and she would yeah she would have to like like go can I can I even be me here do I
42:47
have to go hide in the car in the parking lot during the intermission those type of things I would spend a lot of time in the parking lots during the
42:54
show because I knew everybody was inside so I would sneak out to the parking lot and consume and then like after I could
43:00
I would get everything loaded in the vehicle and you were still inside mingling I I would sneak back out to the
43:06
parking lot but um the best moment was the day that I was out there waiting for Timmy and one of the The Tech Guys came
43:14
out and he started obviously he could smell me and he came over and he started chatting and which led to an educational
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conversation and it it was nice because I I all of a sudden felt like oh well
43:26
maybe I don't need to be hiding over in the corner in there so it is it's about
43:31
it's about education yeah and so you know here's what I would say right
43:37
because I'm navigating it as we're you know just real time
43:42
so next Friday I'm going to New Orleans tomorrow and so when I get back
43:47
Corey's dad is coming here for dinner so will I smoke a joint in his presence
43:56
no I won't right but the reason is because I don't want to go from zero to
44:03
a hundred I want to go zero to one you know one two and so on
44:11
um I remember those days with your parents it is baby steps but the truth is my
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parents have known that I am a very high functioning pothead for a very very long
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time I've never never in my entire life ever smoked a joint in front of them
44:28
ever okay yeah not one time so you know yeah I will go outside and smoke it and
44:35
then come back in and they'll say oh oh great I have the munchies Jordan um you know and they'll a little bit but
44:41
yeah you know what I mean so yeah I won't smoke The Joint but it has the
44:48
word cannabis has been used and that's coming from a family where they don't do
44:54
the marijuana yeah oh you know what I mean like that's a step in the right direction for us as a community yes
45:02
yep and they actually might even be curious too but because they haven't been around it or whatever you know that
45:08
could even just lead to conversation when you get to level three who knows yeah I agree well there's some times
45:14
where you need to kick the door down and sometimes where you need to walk smoothly like you know you've had some good combos with your mum recently my my
45:21
mom and dad you know I don't even know my dad wasn't very vocal about any of it but I mean just recently he caught me
45:28
smoking a joint the he was the first one because I used to sneak down and I would smoke my joint and then go back up and
45:34
yeah but we slow played it and and I think that's it's just a it's just a matter of of you don't want to scare
45:40
anything it's just basic respect for human beings and realizing that just because they're uncomfortable with it
45:45
and maybe maybe even against it the answer isn't always well I'm just going to prove my point and smoke in front of
45:52
you until I break you down it's like no sometimes it's okay to slow play it out let's focus on the relationship first
45:59
well like Jordan says I want you to love me for me and then hey I also consume
46:05
cannabis it's not a defining it's not a defining factor of who I am
46:11
so that's why he's like I won't smoke The Joint I don't need to smoke The Joint yeah
46:16
yeah but and it doesn't mean that I won't take an edible or have something right whatever but I I generally I sneak
46:24
off with my vape is what I do if I ever like if I'm in that situation where I want to be discreet um just sneak off to
46:31
it so you're not gonna so basically you're not gonna cook an infused meal for him when he comes over not for him
46:36
no not for him not yet so what what is
46:41
Nation what what do you see that is the education in regards to not just the infusing of cannabis but in this journey
46:49
of people understanding cannabis yeah what is what is what is the next hurdle
46:54
it's not the next it's the first right it's it's just we're still at the first I I don't think it's the next I I think
47:02
we're I don't think we've scratched the surface yet you know we don't have
47:07
we don't have mainstream cpg um you know we're we're not we don't ha
47:12
we are not reaching the kind of curious where they are right we're we're reaching the more they're not
47:18
dispensaries my father's not going into dispensary right the kind of curious they're not going in dispensary to
47:25
necessarily to seek out you know advice from a bud tender necessarily and I have a lot of
47:31
bartender friends and you know we have a great amount of respect for those who are you know who are at the Forefront of
47:39
of our business and really the in responsible for you know the the success
47:45
of of certain brands because you know people there are some really good ones
47:50
out there and then just like everything else you know there's those that aren't really all that educated and so my
47:56
father's not going to go in and get medical advice nor are they allowed to sling medical advice so yeah we're not
48:02
reaching them where they are right um this is an issue
48:07
um I hope that in time that will be remedied but I just don't think we're at
48:12
we're the first step is education the first step is to stop
48:18
um minimizing or um
48:23
stop for all intents and purposes um you know editing or or sanitizing the
48:33
Cannabis content that we curate on social media platforms it's time that you know we are allowed to be able to
48:41
and freely educate the the planet where they are you know starting with social
48:47
media otherwise we're really sort of bound to experiential right so lift and
48:54
I know you were at kind and kind word you know I love kind and I was with kind and you know we did our some of the
49:01
first events together and you know there's nobody who does it better in that vein than time there's no question
49:07
about it but that again helps to
49:12
normalize when you look at a situation like that it does help to normalize our
49:18
plan um inevitably we need to begin to educate
49:25
and continue to educate and then it becomes to meeting people where they are I'd love to see some terping forward you
49:31
know Beverages and you know in lob laws and and I elsewhere I'd love to be able to start to educate people where they
49:38
are in grocery stores it's not in dispensaries well that's that's what we really enjoyed about uh Lyft um it's one of the
49:46
it's one of the reasons why we do this podcast is because we want to we it's it's getting people into the door to
49:52
even I mean we can educate all we want but if if there's still those barriers like you say with the dispensaries we
49:58
talked a lot about you know shows at a lot of cannabis um conversations that were being had
50:04
online where unfortunately the stereotypical 20 to 35 year old guys sitting in a smoke-filled room talking
50:10
about how much they love weed even if they threw out an occasional tidbit of Education along the way nobody nobody in
50:16
the Canon curious world is going to come into that environment and you know one
50:21
of the reasons why we do this podcast with communication is because people want to hear real people's stories and once again it's experiential it's just
50:28
we're trying to get people to hear other people's experiences and even like Jordan said it's all individuals
50:36
it might not work for you and that's why you know when you talk about
50:42
sort of being a Gateway food and beverage is that Gateway yeah people don't unless their schedule you know
50:48
doesn't dictate people don't say no to an opportunity to come and eat some you know hey do you want to come to a night
50:55
to celebrate a brand come and eat my food and have some cannabis beverages like who says no to that right so like
51:01
even the can of curious like we've fed Forbes Magazine before who's never had a
51:07
you know a cannabis product in in his life we fed other you know writers who
51:12
have come in to to have experiences we've fed people who have never experienced cannabis before why are we
51:20
able to do that well the core of that is the intention is not to get you high the
51:25
attention is not solely to get you high right we have What's called the Entourage effect so if I tell you you
51:31
know the the Entourage effect is only the different cannabinoids and terpenes
51:37
and flavonoids and everything else working in harmony would you believe me I wouldn't because it's not only that
51:43
it's hey do you like the people sitting beside you do you like the music that's being played do you like the Ambiance do
51:49
you like this do you like it's everything working in harmony so if I tell you this Hey listen I'm going to
51:56
create 10 courses I'm going to have some Infuse experience you know fused beverages I'm going to have a really
52:03
safe space where you can consume where you can you know socialize you're going to be surrounded by people you know and
52:09
love the music will be great you in everyone's in and so that's what I
52:15
create is that Entourage effect and so at the core of what I'm really trying to do is obviously educate people in terms
52:23
of what can't what cannabis food and beverage can be now when you know it to be gummies cookies and brownies and I
52:29
make all three of those none of them have refined sugar they're all just it's all technique but
52:35
it's about educating people on different cannabinoids on the on what terpenes are
52:40
and the benefits of terpenes we know we we know it's sage and doTERRA have been successfully you know successfully come
52:47
to Market with essential oils well what is what is a what is the difference
52:52
between essential oil and a terpene I don't know you tell me because they're basically one in the same and offer the
52:59
same type of Health and Wellness benefits from my non-medical experience right
53:04
but so it's just it's it's really about educating people on that you don't have
53:11
to get high that there's medical that there's health and wellness benefits to different cannabinoids and terpenes that
53:17
don't include don't have the side effect of getting you high as a matter of fact we have all these different cannabinoids and
53:23
terpenes and all except one don't really get you high yeah right right yeah yeah
53:31
I would I would like to see a space where people especially newbies can go
53:37
um and have that culinary experience I know they're doing this in the States but I mean up here in Canada it'd be
53:44
nice to have like a space where you could go and try out like you're saying like uh even like a four course meal and
53:51
and just well they exist all over and they exist all over Canada
53:56
that's what keeps me employed what kind of doobie is this
54:02
no there's many I mean Pat Newton would do them Romaine Abra would do them I would oh yes no no but I mean like I
54:09
don't mean private events Oh you mean restaurants I mean public where like
54:15
yeah yeah right Legacy yeah see I would like to have a location like a spa in
54:21
Toronto one day yeah so when so we met you at Lyft obviously you're on this
54:27
this educational thing you you want to you want to just bring this thing to the people lift obviously we've already
54:34
shared we've shared that lift creates a a good doorway in it's a it's a safe
54:41
space a really I I saw it as a newbie place um you know though or take you're taking
54:48
a lot of what you're talking about here and you're really gonna platform it in a
54:54
in another way with list right down in the states yeah yeah I mean and and
54:59
started the precursor was Toronto um through the Diners Club where my
55:05
colleague Barry Smith created that name and it was just brilliant and we created some amazing content
55:13
um you know food and beverage content we had four panels throughout the two days and two uh different with a cooking demo
55:19
and A Mixology demo and so it was it was really really quite amazing and so it
55:25
was the precursor to doing something in the states with uh with Lyft which is called taste that lift cannabis food and
55:32
beverage experience and at the core of it is educating
55:37
people you know whether it be an existing or Emerging Markets on you know
55:43
everything cannabis food and beverage supply chain so including you know Hospitality tourism uh you know culinary
55:50
Mixology and so on um but it's all about cpg it's a one-day
55:55
event uh there are amazing you know very cool panels very interesting subject
56:01
matter there's a baking demonstration A Mixology demonstration we have this
56:07
amazing amazing reception which is the crescendo of the day which is this Chef
56:12
battle and the chef battle is um uh it's going to be you know Three Chefs
56:20
competing and it's going to be just incredible it's going to be lights out sounds really fun like throwing knives
56:25
at each other yes yes you got it big time and
56:32
spoons no spooning just working I like to throw those
56:38
spoons around Oh I thought I seen like everyone's gonna get like the same
56:43
x amount of time on what's going on out there in San
56:48
Francisco yeah it's gonna be cool the you know the ingredient box is the mystery ingredients will be food and
56:54
beverage Brands cannabis food and beverage Brands those are the must-se ingredients so it's going to be a lot of
56:59
fun is one of the mystery ingredients cannabis no something something infused no no
57:07
okay that's just that's just a flat out front okay all right
57:13
um so that's good you're doing that uh you're gonna be doing that in San Fran coming up that's in August
57:18
um right and is this something that your planet is is this overall vision of that
57:24
something that goes outside of Lyft is that something that you want to kind of expand and create into other Ventures uh
57:31
I mean this is something I conceptualized and you know it's my baby but I I brought it to Lyft because I
57:37
believe in Lindsay Roberts I believe in the team and and it was the right opportunity to bring that to them and
57:44
and I look forward to making it a success with them that's awesome yeah um and what about so
57:50
the stuff you're writing what are you writing now what's what's yeah I mean there's a lot of projects on the go
57:55
right now um my new book it's sort of those one of those situations why the shoemakers
58:01
shoot the shoemaker's children doesn't have shoes um my own book has just been sitting in
58:06
my inbox waiting to add it it's been a very slow process because I've been writing
58:12
co-authoring a new book with um his name is the golden Gully Bilal bati and Bilal
58:18
has about eight million followers between Tick Tock and YouTube and uh and
58:24
Instagram is huge and he's such a nice young man and we did a uh a book called
58:31
um basically it's it's all about cooking without measurements and he's a young Pakistani man and so we cooked a lot of
58:39
all food from his you know from his uh upbringing and and food stuff that his
58:44
mom made so this is being uh published by random house and so that one just
58:51
shot um we just did the shoot in Toronto actually
58:57
um where Romaine Avril the loop is actually closing Romaine Avril who's my good friend in Michelin star train Chef
59:03
I'm one of the greatest talents in Canada he did the food styling for the book for us for random house and my new
59:11
project is uh is actually with Romaine and we're doing a new cannabis cook book
59:16
so there's a lot of a lot of a lot of writing projects on the go for sure
59:21
nice I look forward to that cookbook yes yes what do you when do you feel Corey would be ready
59:29
for an infused meal I guess you guys don't sit down for dinner do you have to make one for yourself and one for her no
59:35
we don't she doesn't no I'm not no I'm good with her not you know I'm good with
59:41
it you know it's uh no I'm good with it actually I'm good we're at we're at year
59:47
five and Timmy's just now thinking about infusing some sort of like maybe a CBD
59:54
um which I I keep telling him it should be equal absolutely equal you know the
59:59
thing is what I would say to you is and I now I now in thinking about the answer the truth is is that one of the things
1:00:05
that she and I you know have in common is our love of health and
1:00:12
so she's incredibly driven by you know putting good things in her body and so
1:00:19
she lives a pretty clean lifestyle it's not to say we don't cheat I made a loaf of bread the other night we devoured
1:00:26
together right right but you know she she does eat a clean life and and takes
1:00:31
a lot of supplements and and and so you know cannabis is something
1:00:38
either would it bring value to her non-psychoactive cannabinoids absolutely
1:00:44
um am I ready to get her high no chance yeah yeah and I and I'm not looking for the high either but I am you were in the
1:00:52
beginning interested to see what the hubbub was all about oh yes yeah and my first what is this my first smoke was
1:00:58
incredibly disappointed because it did nothing and I was like seriously so like for 40 years like this is this is what
1:01:04
this is what it was all about uh and then it ended up ruining my bowling score and uh that was I gave up after
1:01:11
that there's some things you just can't you can't risk you gave up bowling or you gave up cannabis I gave up cannabis
1:01:17
oh yeah well it was yeah if it was want to be one or the other that's like which is funny because we just went bowling
1:01:22
the other day and I'm pretty sure I won that's still less than 50 percent
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right yeah um listen uh we uh there's so much more we we could talk about what I mean and
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hopefully even outside of podcast just to get together I mean the fact is is that our stories there's so many things
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some of these these plates I you never play it sounds like you don't
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plan I know you said you you're making dinner tonight and you've got uh the in-laws coming over to visit shortly and
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I'm I was going to ask you oh what are you planning on making but I'm sure you got no plan and that's the way you like
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it and I'm sure it'll be delicious well it's it's not there's no it's not that there isn't a plan it's that you know
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even when I create my experiences it's hard for me so if you are my client
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you really do have a lot of control except for what each dish is meaning you
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tell me your dietary restrictions you tell me your likes and dislikes and I create a menu around that based on
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seasonality and so I don't know the ingredients I'm buying like I can tell you I'm cooking a bunch of vegetables
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but I don't know is that you know what's going to be great at the market what's in season yeah so on what do my Farmers
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want me to buy so you have a plan it's just not detailed yeah I well yeah I
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have no idea it just it really is dictated by you the client you tell me
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what you love to eat and I create around that for sure and that's a true artist and do you uh do you get offended when
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people don't call you chef no I no never no not at all it's to be
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honest it's it's funny I I'm just it's just my name it's funny it's just my
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name yeah it's my name I no I don't think it's when people don't it's just
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no not at all a lot of most people do it's weird but most people there's yeah there's a well I I know I
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know a few who are like I'm a chef it's kind of like the same people who are like uh it's doctor and it's like okay
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fine we'll throw the things but you're not my doctor no you don't you don't strike you don't strike me as as that
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um Chef Jordan uh Jordan thank you so much for this uh
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like you said this came from one uh one chance meeting well I guess maybe actually you were actually brought deliberately to us maybe on that day and
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Lyft but by one of those amazing people that you already mentioned at Lyft yeah that was I think it was Lisa that
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brought you up but we uh right away we were we were like we we really wanted to talk more to you we appreciate uh you
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taking time um what you're doing too because like that's amazing The Taste at lift is
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amazing um I'm excited for the cookbook yes called will how I found my health
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through food it's uh all my pictures all my stories and all my recipes so I'm
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really excited it should come out very soon if I can just make those shoes you
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know if I could just make those damn shoes well I I I'm celebrating my 10-year anniversary of my first book my
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second book uh was written nine years ago and hasn't been uh worked on since so I'm still working on that particular
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shoe it can take a while sometimes it can indeed yes it can um where can people find you to end this
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off how do people get a hold of you how do they find you yeah everywhere at jordanwagman.com and my
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um my website jordanwagman.com um yeah it just at Chef Jordan Wagon on
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all social media DM me wherever I am and uh happy to help and mostly I mean this
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is really at the core of of what I would love to offer you know your audience is if I can help help in any way if I can
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answer any questions with regards to making a cannabis experience safety or safer healthier more you know more
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repeatable if I can help with an autoimmune disease if I can help with a diet if I can help life in any way my
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DMs are always open that's awesome you might actually get an email from me I've I've just sent you
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one while you were talking there Jordan thank you again so much have an amazing day and uh we hopefully we'll
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talk to you soon thank you thanks for having me
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