The Noobie And The Doobie
The Noobie And The Doobie
Ross & Deb Middleton | BMA Hydroponics | Expert Growing Tips & Activist Life | Noobie & Doobie OTS #32
On The Spot with Ross & Deb Middleton: urban horticultural experts, owners of BMA Hydroponics & long time activists.
During our conversation with Ross & Deb we discussed their personal cannabis journeys and their past, present & future as activists as well as getting tips & advice for growing great cannabis.
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Cannabis model Marijane Baker & non-consuming comedian Timmy Boyle have joined forces to explore the wonderful world of weed...from both sides. Be sure to subscribe, turn on notifications, like, comment & share! Thank you so much!
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ABOUT THE PODCAST:
He’s from the Church. She’s from the garden...of Weeden. They’re from different worlds with the same goal. To engage & explore the cannabis culture...from both sides.
Join medicinal user, model & advocate Marijane Baker and non-consumer, former youth pastor & current clean comedian Timmy Boyle for a unique, funny & educational look into the magical, controversial and, for some, forbidden world of weed.
Timmy & Mj (a real life “mixed” couple) bring their cannabis pillow talk into the public domain as well as inviting guests, from inside & outside the weed community, to help educate, entertain & inspire the other noobies & doobies who are tuning in.
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hey everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Newbie and the Doobie my name is Timmy I am the Newbie
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Mary Jane I am the Doobie we're very excited to have with us on the show today Ross and Deb Middleton
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um BMA Hydroponics was uh good job thank you very much I've been learning this
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information along the way uh a long time um friends of of MJ and I'm excited to
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get a chance to know them today as will all of you who are tuning in now to find out what exactly is happening and Deb
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and Ross's world so uh yeah thank you so much for joining us today oh you're welcome thanks for having me
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making time out of here I want to say busy schedule but it's kind of like leading to a chill schedule because then
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you're going to be able to relax so I don't feel bad we're about as chill as you can get under the circumstances yeah
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the activities going on here and you guys you guys are currently out
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east is that correct in Nova Scotia right near Yarmouth oh nice well that's
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somewhere not what your mouth not my mouth
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that must be a local joke those those East Coast jokes
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this is me I'm Mr corny yeah that is definitely an area we want to
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get out to we haven't been out east yet and uh so hopefully I have I was working
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at one time where I had a job that I had to travel by vehicle all over all over the east coast
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and I've been but we haven't done it together beautiful I'm just gonna say the east coast is beautiful this is
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gorgeous yeah not so much in November December when you get stranded in New Brunswick but no no do not can I just
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say this do not go to New Brunswick I love you we love passing through there but Jason
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I mean there's a lot of snow we live there I'm sure they like it but it's the winter it's the winter
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as far as as far as we know we have zero listeners from New Brunswick so that's gonna it will be here
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wait does the internet work when it's that cold [Laughter]
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so Mary Jane often even though she she knows you guys she she there is one of
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the reasons why we do this show is not only to kind of talk about um the things that people are involved
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in but as a newbie and as somebody who grew up in a world where cannabis wasn't
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talked about at all grew up in an Evangelical Church um if there was any information at all it was misinformation and one of the
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things that we wanted to do on this show was to help break down that stigma that is often based
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um on a whole lot of misinformation and the best way I've found to do it is by
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hearing stories the reason that MJ and I are here today just not only relationally but doing projects like
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this is because I met somebody who for the first time broke that stigma as I
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started to hear her story and I realized there was a why behind her cannabis use I realized that she could actually
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function as a human being despite cannabis use these were things I did not know I thought people just smoked to
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escape Escape world and they had no other coping mechanisms and that they clearly couldn't be functioning and so
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people's stories and their Journeys is a huge part of what I think is going to help break down the stigma let alone the
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science that is slowly coming in and uh exposing a whole lot of those untruths
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so Mary Jane's favorite question I'm going to let her take the stage now my
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favorite question I was going to say something before you got there oh well Timmy's very good see you're very good
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at just like
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normally he asked me before we begin do you have a plan and I'm like nope no plan so the one time he didn't ask and I
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was like wait I have a plan um I was going to talk about the reason why I specifically wanted Devin Ross on
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the show okay um is because when we talk about talking to people with interesting stories
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that was honestly one of my favorite parts of coming to work for you guys was
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the stories that I was going to hear that day about um just learning sensimilla
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just just that one bro I mean I'm not gonna say anymore but like I know like that and like all these other things
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with the rules and regulations and the cup winnings and all these things and I
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was like it was so fun and so exciting I was like we have to have these two people on which ultimately does lead into my
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favorite question because I don't think I've I ever found this out because I
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probably didn't ask but this is my favorite question to ask and it's the only one we have on the podcast which is
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I want to know about the first time you consumed cannabis I want to know was it
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hash was it oil flour did you smoke it you don't have to tell me how young you were like you don't have to yeah
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if you choose to that's awesome but like I want to know all the details did you get high did you feel nothing I'll be
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quiet now I'll be quiet and I'll let you decide which one goes first yeah you go first ladies first okay well originally
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I'm from Colorado so in Colorado Springs and we had you know the Air Force Academy and
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everything so in the early 70s is when I
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had my first encounter with cannabis and I was 15
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and where I'm from we did not smoke joints we I did not know what to do with
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the Cannabis I got from a girl whose brother got it from somebody that had
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come back from Europe through the Armed Forces so I ate it I had no idea this
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boy ate it horrible I can remember like it was just a bud it was like you stuck it in your
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mouth it was round up yeah and back then it was Mexico no it came from Europe it
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was Panama Red you
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know and I didn't have brothers or sisters to tell me you know or anything so I ate it and felt absolutely nothing
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so my next encounter was somebody who did we smoked it but we used to smoke
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out of it Chillum and a Chillum is a kind of pipe that you put between your fingers and cup and
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it's a bowl and you light it and do that we did not smoke joints
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just but it took honestly probably about seven times
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before I ever felt the effects of it
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yeah that's yeah that's interesting because my the very first time I smoked a joint was was about five years ago
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right after I had I had met Mary Jane and I mean after a lifetime of hearing
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all this this stuff about it um I felt nothing as well and I was I was super disappointed and if it wasn't
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before Mary Jane saying hey you know what that's when I first started to learn about there's maybe a different strain those
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type of things might do um because I just assumed weed was weed it's one of the biggest lessons that I've learned throughout this process is
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that it's way too complex to be just weed as weeds unless it comes to smelling but I probably never it all smells like that I never would have even
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tried again if it wasn't or I would have gone well this did nothing and I would have walked on so you just continued to
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push through you were determined it was determined it's like everybody else is getting what's wrong
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with me right why am I not getting this yeah so I will
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I will tell you Dad the same thing happened to me too um when I finally felt it it was because
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I was like no I'm good I've I don't get high and the guy was like I think he
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should slow down that's really strong stuff and I was like no no no I never get high and I yeah
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yeah so what happened when you actually felt like the first oh it was the greatest
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laugh fest of my life like you know rolling on the floor everything was
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funny it was it was great and it um I don't know I really enjoyed it
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recreationally for the majority of my young adult and
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adult life and I I hate to say this even when I was a prank when I was pregnant the day I conceived until the day I
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delivered I was sick every single day and not just morning but most of the day
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and it was the only thing that helped me and yeah okay so yeah
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medically because I've had both of my hips replaced and I have some nerve
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damage and arthritis and things and I've used it medically who probably for about 15 to 20 years
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but up until then I've been smoking or using cannabis I should say for about 50 years now
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so so the time when you were when you were pregnant was that the first time that it crossed your mind that cannabis
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could be medicine or had you already kind of processed that no no that's when
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I really thought it's the only thing for the nausea that stops me from being
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nauseous and I mean it used to be I'd wake up in the morning and Roscoe oh God yeah there she goes
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yes it was that's probably the only only
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have one child yeah I was going to say isn't pregnancy beautiful
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no no it was off I thought it was great
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yeah it's kind of is cannabis does cannabis stop pregnancy right is that is that a scientific thing yeah
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[Laughter] I think it makes the swimmers a little
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faster yeah live a little longer I don't know
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it definitely doesn't stop it or else I wouldn't have children
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do you feel because one of the things that that we've talked a lot about and um is the uh the consuming with um with
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purpose and intention um even though you didn't know the intention when you were only smoking it
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um recreationally yeah looking back do you feel that it was serving a medicinal
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purpose back then like do do you act you know some people like look back and go oh my goodness I've been using it
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medically a lot longer than I ever consciously was aware of but it was stopping something
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hmm I don't know I don't think we ever
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thought of it about medicinal I mean it was always recreational it was just for fun and it was stayed that way I mean
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until probably we got you know like 20 30 25 years ago maybe then it's it's medicinal
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qualities started to come out more and and people started to find out more
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about it and then you know and of course we were young and healthy and we really didn't have a condition at that point to
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treat you know so it wasn't like something that even crossed our minds as being medicinal but uh later you know as
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you get older and things start to fall apart you start to build what a good medicine it is
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yeah see I I when I went to the doctor uh shortly after my second child was
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born the doctor basically said hey dummy you've been self-medicating with
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cannabis since the age of 16. and I was like wait what so that's that's I think a little bit
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kind of like I I didn't have to think about it because the doctor basically
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slapped me in the face with the knowledge that like hey you've been using this for answer for as an
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anti-anxiety medication since you were a teenager when you stopped taking your
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anti-anxiety medication and started consuming cannabis like
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that is true true I I personally didn't know yeah well
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when we moved to Florida because we moved from Colorado to Florida where my parents
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retired that's where we met we met in Florida on the Gulf of Mexico and I
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actually paid a couple of guys I went to school with a half ounce to show me how to roll a joint because I still didn't
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know how to roll a joint so consumer
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and you're not know how to roll no
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so then yeah and then I could go and walk on the beach when there was yeah so you're right it does
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help with anxiety a lot and as a teenager yeah yeah
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so when when was the first when was the first time you smoked a joint then if your process wasn't initially smoking
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when did that change well it
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after I'd started because we smoked out of a Chillum but it was always out of a pipe it type thing it was never with a
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joint really really joints started when I moved to Florida because I didn't have
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a pipe and I wasn't going to buy a corn cup at the local Junior looks like you found yourself a roller
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[Laughter] well and I feel like the quality of
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cannabis has changed too from the time that you started at the time that like even when you're saying like yeah it
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became medicinal and there was more medicinal properties like I showed Timmy a photo of what we would call like
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um was it Jamaican ditch weed or whatever like that like sticks and stems and all like in a brick yeah and I was
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like that's what they call a brick of weed and he's like that's weed like that's cannabis yeah
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yeah it's it's surprising when we were in Florida after Ross and I were married I worked for a commercial Fishery
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we always had the Customs guys in and my boss's cousin was
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supposed yes Sparky was busted for 27 tons that was taken up to where up the
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Intercoastal Waterway from the Gulf of Mexico and we there was a paper mill
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near us where Ross worked and they used to take all these huge bales of cannabis
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that would come in on the boats and take them over to the paper mill throw them in the incinerator throw them in the
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incinerator and they'd just wait till they caught on fire and then as soon as they caught on fire all the guys were
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pulled it all after after the authorities left they said okay it's all in there it's all in the incinerator and
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they'd walk away and leave but the guys who had run the incinerator you knew that you had to keep mixing it mixing it
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and mixing it the cops and all the authorities they got their Hooks and they pulled them all
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back out again dusted off all the burnt stuff got the stuff in the center and that was hitting the streets right away
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yeah yeah nasty yeah I can imagine
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you know 10 bucks about so Ross how about how about your first time what uh what what happened how did
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you get there uh 53 years ago so yeah 14 14. I'm excited I decided I'd heard
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about this thing called marijuana on the news and I've seen all the hippies and all of that stuff it was all hippies I
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wanted to be hippie and I wanted to try it so I went out and I sought it from a a guy who whose name was Rick Bunyan he
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was a new guy just moved in grade eight right and this new guy moves in and he's got long hair right long red hair and
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like nobody had long hair it was like oh he's got to be a hippie right he's got
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to have we I want to try weed so I went over to him I said hey Rick I'm Ross you know like can you get me weed
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and he said well I don't know you know maybe kind of so I said I said please you know can you give me sweet okay sure
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so I bought five Joints off of him wait so you were you were dead on you you saw from his hair and you were actually
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right I was I'm dead on dead on and so I bought five joints for five dollars
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that back then you know like a dollar back then is like ten dollars today right so I bought these five joints and
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I went and I rounded up a few friends and I said hey I got these joints let's go smoke them so we went way back into
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the woods like Way Back Into the Woods where nobody would see us and we all hid back there and we smoked these joints
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and honestly none of us got high but we all thought we should be high so we all
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acted high but we were really high but we thought we were you know what I mean it was like
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what are those psychosomatic things where you think you're high and um yeah that was like the first time was a dud
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um and it cost me like five bucks which is probably about like 50 bucks today right wow so you know uh yeah it was a
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bit of a dead but I was determined so um I kept trying it and finally one day I
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got high and and I mean I don't know if you guys remember your first time but that first time is a real kick in the
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ass I mean it was just like um
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did we lose you you guys have Frozen up just in case you're wondering
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if you can hear us I don't know if they look cute over here oh there you are there you go
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you're saying uh the first time it really kicks you in the pants it did it really kicked me in the pants but I
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loved it and I I I laid on the ground I rolled around just laughing just laughing I'm not at anything in
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particular just laughing and I just thought this is great
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53 years ago and I haven't looked back I mean did uh um did all of your friends who everybody
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pretended to be high did anyone actually get it right in terms of like when you actually got high you're like boy we
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were way off you know back then it was pretty much around where we were it was all Mexican right so it was a crap shoot
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with Mexican weed um it was either pretty good or wasn't good at all and
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the stuff most of the stuff we got was like the dirt weed that he you know really wasn't that great uh but finally when you know there was a little
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Colombian would come around or something then the Colombian now that was some really good stuff back then that would
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kick your butt right so I think that was the first thing that I got high on was Colombia and and that really kicked
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yes I mean it was good um the Colombians I don't know why I don't know what it was about Colombia
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but they just knew how to do it or they just had the right strain I think it's just the right strain so yeah the land
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race outside yeah versus the Mexican land race yeah no
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comparison you say land race and I'm like I wish we could get our hands on something yes
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like here land races now yes and that's what you had back then were land races right Jamaican
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um yeah Colombian and Mexican and that was pretty much it yeah and it was all seats the seeds seeds and everything
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um at some point the Jamaicans started to to pull their meals and after a while you'd be able to get Jamaican uh we
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called it Packy weed and not for the reasons you think it was because it was packed into into like
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um cucks and uh and you pull it apart and it was all brown and had this musty kind of
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smell and they had started pulling their mails they realized that Jamaica was the first place where they started pulling
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the males and making sense right and if you don't know what sansomia means do you know what that is it's a Spanish
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word I I don't I've I've heard it and I think so but it's actually San Samia so
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San Samia it means without seed yeah so it's it's just Spanish for without seed
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and that's what and they found then the cartels all started doing it and found
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that they could actually ship more because the seeds were no longer in it and didn't add the weight so they could
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make up the weights with just so what it wasn't for quality purposes the quality
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thing was unintentional they wanted to get more weed into a smaller brick so
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take the seeds out you get more weed and a smaller brick right right so but they didn't realize that by pulling the males
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taking the seeds out it actually improved the Cannabis immensely so
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and San Samia or sensimilla as we shortened it too it is now a big deal right and that's all there is I mean
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try to find someone with seed now yeah it's funny um if you find stuff
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with seeds you're generally upset yes well I know are like what the [ __ ] are these seeds like I keep getting seeds in
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my [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah no I don't mind yeah I generally take them like uh
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sunflowers um seeds and I just crack them open and I eat the heart from the inside yeah or
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the temp right it's good for you are the three are the three big players that you mentioned
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there Colombia Jamaica and I think there was there was one other one Mexican um where do they all where are they all
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within the scope now or is it is great weed still coming out of Colombia where
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where do those three players Jamaica seems very stereotypical but yeah I mean yes absolutely I'm sure they're still
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growing a lot oh um there's not a market for anymore
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because we grow our own here now and the market is flooded with local cannabis so
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they can't they can't get in edgewise you know what I mean there's nothing left there's no money in it anymore for
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them so it's not worth the risk of of putting it on a fishing boat bringing it all the way up through the Gulf of
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Mexico and then trying to get it through all you know like I mean all that smuggling thing it just wasn't worth it because now it's everywhere and that's
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right but I did know an actual cannabis scientist who worked uh his mentor
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worked for agriculture Canada who went and worked with the government of Colombia and they were trying to save
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their land race seats that they had there the strains that
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they had and continue to grow them without them being adulterated by other
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things that were brought in because it might have been a better cash crop or something but they were trying to save
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their land race strains because there are certain profiles to the terpenes and things that
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they're finding which are very medicinal with the terpene profiles that the ones
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that have been introduced didn't have so they were working to try and and keep
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their genetics pure to to maintain that and at one point
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there was uh well you know Franco and Aryan who formed the Strain Hunters with
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greenhouse seeds who were going around to all these different countries and
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getting local land race strains and taking them back and growing and producing them but they did find some
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the last one that uh Franco in the Congo or he actually got malaria and passed
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away from it there while he was on an expedition they found some that had a
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genetic property that was the highest in
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THV thcd no no I think it was just THB and it was
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actually for weight loss for weight loss and it was the highest
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strain they'd ever found because they used to take seeds back then they'd grow them in the laboratory test them all out
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and do all of that but it was the highest they'd ever found and Franco was
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going back to the Congo and learning how they how
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they cultivated it what they did to actually produce it to see if that was
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if it was either nature or nurture that helped contribute to the the profiles of
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this cannabis and that's when he got malaria and passed away so what is it nature or nurture what was
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the findings we don't know don't know it it never it's both I think
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it's both it never came back to find out what what was doing it that's in that
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the nature virgin versus nurture question is interesting because I've had this question before with things like
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for example Hindu Kush it's found in the mountains of like what the Hindu region
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right and if you if you look at the people in the culture around those land
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races the effect that comes from that land race is very similar to the culture
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so Jamaican strains are a little bit more sativa because Jamaican people are
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like you know a little bit more there is a thing about Jamaica though they decided in Jamaica that um it's kind of
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have foregone their own variety their own land race and they started getting seeds in from seed banks and growing
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other strains and then making sense to me and then so they kind of lost the Jamaican strains kind of been lost it
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still exists on somebody in Trinidad and some of the other islands where the Jamaican Supreme went to there they
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there but in Jamaica it's hard to find actual Jamaican yeah that's all you get
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is the stuff that they've been growing from other seeds that they've been buying online and you know getting the seeds and yeah throwing sense to me and
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it's all kinds of strange now so yeah yeah see I've I've got some like I've got violator Kush which you can't find
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the seeds for anymore because it's one like it's not even a land race train but
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it's it's an older strain that you can't get and I'm I'm holding on to the seed
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because I'm like if I pop this it's the last of the Violator you know
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what I mean and it's like one of those things that I'm like I gotta make sure I give a cutting to somebody somebody
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that's gonna keep this baby alive that's right either that or find out somebody who can cryogenically freeze a piece of
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tissue culture then you could keep the strain indefinitely in a Petri dish and
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it would be the only way it would ever not drift because even if you gave a clone to somebody 20 years later yeah
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that brain is going to drift genetically it's like a photocopy of a photocopy it
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starts to drift but by tissue culture that's the only way
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something stays true to the genetics and they should take land race strains and
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put them in the vault in Sweden under cultures to keep them that way to use it
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as a propagation method it's it's very difficult because it's only about 62
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percent effective to do for a reproduction method but to keep a
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genetic library that way you could store thousands of strains in just little
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petri dishes right so you don't have to keep a mother plant you can just get
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tissue culture so it'd be nice if they did that what
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and I'm too old to start going around saying do this
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honestly there's the whole name thing like there's so many different names for so many different so-called strains yeah
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what you have are a bunch of hybrids okay so people cross this one that one across that one with this one and then
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it all becomes genetically uh like a crap shoot so you take um you you take a deck of cards and you
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throw it up in the air and then you look at the ones that fall face up right and then you take your deck and throw it up
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again and look at the ones that fall face up they're all different every time right and that's kind of like genetics
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and that's where it's kind of gone so now you've got this mishmash of all these different genetics so you say
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violator Cush what is that really right yeah and and whose violator Kush
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seed company too you liked that but you liked that strength right and that strain was a
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hybrid that somebody bred and the chances of ever getting that same exact thing again is almost no okay oh so this
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is this is where I was like when I started working for you guys I was like I'm gonna learn how to grow I'm gonna get this down pat and whatever and then
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I'm like okay I got my seeds I got all my stuff and then you tell me you get five seeds you pop them all you
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put them all they're all the same genetics you put them in the tent they're all getting fed the same food
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and they're all getting the same light and they're all whatever but they don't all turn out the same which is fine but
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one of them I kept and I caught cutting is awesome and they're all from the same plant and I'm like they're all going to
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be the same this time and I put them in the tent and I grow them all the same you see them already they're like ah no
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because it depends where in the tent it is how much does that one get more fluid
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than that one and it's just like yeah they're called phenotypes okay so every
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child is different and then every like your parents are the same but your
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sisters different than you you know and her kids are different from your kids and yeah and even identical twins are
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different so even if you split the plant it's still they're different right
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that's right there's no there's no consistency to make one strain grow the
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exact same every single time to the same THC the same two percent level the same yeah yeah the exact same screen
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reproduce it through by cloning or cutting staking cut yeah right right where you're you're maintaining that
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same string but other than that it's all just like I say the deck of cards up in the air see which ones
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but even doing that it still is going to change from crop to crop even yeah
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exactly and that was the thing and it's not even just crop to crop it's in the
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same crop they're all from the same mother but this one is on that side and
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it's further from the light and it has so it doesn't get as much light so the buds are not as big and then they don't
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get as much Crystal so they don't have a higher THC and it's just like you're literally the same plant in the same
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room in the same grow with the same food in the same light but it's it's not and honestly I think that's the beautiful
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and frustrating thing about cannabis it's the environmental aspect where it's an environment dictates the way it
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evolves right and the way it evolves within its own genetic that's right and
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by name is hard to match strange strain by name the best thing is have it tested
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and go by the terpene profiles because if you match the terpene profiles those
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are like a fingerprint that's and it may not even be the same fingerprint it'll be similar yeah it might not be but it
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will have the genetics of that same profile really what you would look for
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we don't even talk about flavonoids and everything else that are in them as well but complicated plants it is yeah it is
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the most typically complex plant on this planet and right now they probably only test for about between 9 and 20 terpenes
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there are way more than that and if you talk to somebody who is a perfumer
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thousands of terpenes because that's what their whole industry is based on is
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the true beans for perfumes and scents so yeah essential oils incredible plant
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it's just an amazing thing it is it is and I started doing a lot more towards
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the end when I was medically looking at strengths and things
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especially for Ross and his condition and then when I meet topicals looking at
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the essential oils yeah the essential oils to help affect certain things in
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the body and then we try to match certain terpene profiles for things is that the award-winning topical that's it
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yeah yeah and it works so so you went from recreational to Medicinal to advocate
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I'm like I that's where my heart lies is in the advocacy so let's talk a little bit about what you guys have done in the
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advocacy space it's like let's start let's go back would you how'd you begin the advocacy
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so [Music]
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and other people who were about education then going to the shows like
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the first treating yourself helping to set up helping to work in it meeting Michelle Rainey and some of the other
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people who were I guess pioneers of the advocacy of it and just being involved
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that way and helping out in the community and then wanting to become an information source that was real and was
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accurate for people who came into the store and the store was a great venue where we could actually educate people
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would come to us and say well what's really going on I heard this or heard that and
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as we would go on Ross got more involved with the government and things too so we
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could actually say no this is really what's happening what's going on and he
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was then a patient too so really advocating in Medical Campus that's where my advocacy was definitely a
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medical and um yeah I spent a lot of time on that I've done a lot of things most recently I've been on the steering
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committee at Health Canada yeah who was in charge of going out and finding
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patients that they could consult with because they built into um the Cannabis act okay when the
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Cannabis Act was passed it it included the acnpr it all went into one bucket
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and they said that I believe it was after five years yeah five years they would do a review and we're now in that
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process now right now at doing that review so I was in because I had been
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Consulting with health Canada before I actually went to Ottawa and attended the sessions there and actually talked to
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the committee there when they were legalizing that way back uh so because I was on that list they called me back in
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to be on the steering committee which was a really great experience um
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um but yeah I mean that that was just one thing I mean there's court cases I mean uh Paul loon is a good friend of
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mine um he's a great cannabis lawyer um uh he and Jack Lloyd
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who's currently involved in another Charter challenge here in Nova Scotia for mushrooms for mushrooms and so
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that's the this is their next thing now is is um yeah and they're they're so they're
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going after that I think they feel like they did their job with cannabis and I think they did and but it still goes on
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I mean um thank you it yeah I don't I don't think there's
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ever going to be an end as and it's it's terrible to say that as long as there is
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money to be made by the pharmaceutical industry they're going to try and shut things down as much as they can or
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control it yeah but they can't due to the simple nature of the way cannabis is
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they can't they they can't and that's why yeah so they'll put it down and
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they'll say it's no good and all that stuff because they can't control it that's right yeah and I mean Ross is
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thank goodness he's doctor and he his doctor had an intern a
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student working there and he was giving them the whole Lowdown on how to prescribe yeah he was saying like you
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know his Darkness concerned saying well like these people that want you know like all this and Ross is going look
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nobody want needs 50 grams a day just to lose like that like no they're doing
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something else with it you know like or whatever maybe if you're doing edible
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like that but but so we've tried to educate him a little bit because before that his doctor would not prescribe no
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he wouldn't prescribe because he told me he didn't know enough about it so after I heard that last time I went to see him
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which was just a couple months ago um I I went in there with some topical cream yeah some oil and and I I was
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gonna tell him all about cannabis how it's used medicinally and what he should look for and what he should look out for
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and he just happened to have a um a new doctor with him shadowing him an intern
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Doctor Who was you know just getting some on-the-job experience so I got I got to show them both what medical
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cannabis is and I said you know like I'll just understand that you know if someone's gonna smoke it and inhale it
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then you probably don't want to go over five grams a day right so prescribe five grams a day for the smokers if someone's
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gonna be making oils and creams and things like that they're going to need a little more so maybe you go up to 15 you
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know grams a day up you know on the high end to make those things right and and
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he was like oh okay well that makes sense by the end of it he's saying so he's going online he's saying so so
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where's this medical document online I want to download it so I can start so he's now going to start prescribing it
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because yeah about it yeah to be able to do it so that was kind of like my last thing with
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him before I left and came out here yeah because he he
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is Methadone for the pain for the neuropathies he was on 16 different
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Hills Plus at the highest fentanyl patch you can get
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oh yeah all at the same time none of that no none it's all just
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cannabis and the cream honestly it didn't work I the thing about opiates is
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for me anyway and I think it's for a lot of people is that you start on a certain dose and it's a low dose and it works
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for a couple of weeks and then it stops working it doesn't work anymore so you go back without any doctors not anymore
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so stay up the dose right and then that works for a couple of weeks and then you go back and say well no that's not we're
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going to go well here let me add this one too so now you're taking two and it just keeps going down until
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eventually you're on the 100 milligram uh fentanyl patch and stuff like this
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you know and you're just up to here with opiates and it's like and then it's still not working and then there's the
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side effect pills that you have yeah and methadone now let's be all using
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methadone at one point not to get off it but as a medicine for pain yeah yeah but
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when it came to quitting methadone is not the answer it's just another opiate it's just a substitute the only way to
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get off opiates is to quit yeah stop and and a lot of people have trouble doing that I honestly didn't have that much
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trouble doing it I I made my mind up I made my mind up I mean everybody's has a different personality and and I think
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there's something in the brain too that makes some people more addictive personalities than others right I just
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never was an addictive personality and I had absolutely no trouble quitting opiates let me just tell everybody out
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there I'm I'm special in that way you get on opiates good luck getting off of those because most people you need help
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yeah you need help right I
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finally found one that that um agreed that this was not the best approach to
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the chronic pain and he supported my efforts to get off and he gave and he helped me with the dosages and you know
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because you got to go down and down and down and down in the dosages right so we worked out a plan we executed the plan
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and I've been opiate free for years from 15 years yeah that's awesome
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time now yeah
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yeah like peripheral neuropathy okay I don't know if you know what that is but it's when your your nerve nervous system
42:09
goes south on you okay so for me it's in in my feet all of a sudden my uh nerve
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endings are telling me my feet are on fire right it's like standing in a campfire you just walk in there barefoot and
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stand in there okay and if you can imagine what that burning would be like that's what I get 24 7. 365 and opiates
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do zero nothing okay guess what works the cream
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the award-winning cream five yes yeah five minutes I get like 80 relief so
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when you're trying to fall asleep when you're on fire yeah and you can't because you're on fire you put that cream on and in five
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minutes your sleep and that's it you're good and it meant so much in my life
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and you don't get high right because the the blood in your skin has already been
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to your brain right so that blood is not going to your brain so the THC and all
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the cannabinoids is absorbing is not going to get you high so you can slather on topical cream that's like just chock
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full of THC and never get high yeah right yeah yeah and then Timmy uses
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topicals yeah I was using I recently recently done some work on my hand what
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uh what you were talking about there about the burning also and I realized that um over the last five years now that
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I've been talking about cannabis you know most of my uh religious contacts
43:36
have cut me off because I'm you know I'm probably going to hell now but I could bring that tropical cream with me and at
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least only experience 20 of health so that's nice yes yes well you know what
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um find someone who's got a condition a a pain of some kind and just say here
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try this cream you know and not tell them what's in it yeah so what's what what's the award
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award-winning award-winning who who offered that award because I've won of a lot of awards and a lot of them are
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stuff that my son my son Drew up little things certificate sayings
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um and I guess the last lift
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uh Expo where they actually did judging of different cannabis strains and uh
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topicals different extracts things like that were they actually but we have I
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have a was myself and two other people that we developed the recipe
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and we just said I wanted to start making creams so I went out and bought
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all kinds of books on how to combine different Butters and things like that and we started infusing it
44:51
and developed a technique and worked it out with ourselves but we decided Well
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let's just try it let's um and we we entered it through Genoa
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um who's now the head of normal Kingston 420 remember 420 they were actually running the lift
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uh judging and competition or doing it for Lyft
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so we submitted all of our our entries and little jars and things and we
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submitted one that was in like a deodorant role tube and a cream so we we came in third
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and fourth for the first time and we'd only been doing it for about three months
45:36
when we won our award and we have a nice glass Award with our names
45:45
etched in it and things but yeah so that's when we won the award in over time I have geared
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um when I had my hips replaced uh the second time I made up cream specific
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with different uh ingredients so I wouldn't get as much bruising so it would help with nerve pain and I with uh
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um that was with some of the carrier oils and then the essential oils doing it for Ross a lot of the way let's turn
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that way so yeah hold on
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we bought a crazy house here yeah yeah that's fine so it is it is it hasn't been lived in
46:43
for 10 years no no no yeah but people that built it
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they had a little bit of a drinky drinky but they alternated days so that both of
46:56
them weren't drinky drinkers want to drink one day and the other one drink the other day and then well
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somebody's response yeah and everything's handmade in here all the all the knobs
47:09
they're all hand carved and sanded down but they the guy wasn't really a
47:15
carpenter exactly he just okay everything's put together with nails
47:21
everything's Nails yeah Nails Nails everywhere nails
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yeah maybe he didn't have a drill yeah
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just a hammer I guess that's like uh lots of people want to uh grow cannabis
47:37
that it doesn't necessarily mean they're a grower like right you don't have to tell them you're going to learn you know
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you got to learn somewhere right
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mildew and that's usually due to your ventilation issues or you got it from someone get it from somebody that's not
47:57
an order if you take cuttings and you treat them once with something and then you sell them
48:04
whether it's be through the reserve it's going to come back it's it's in the
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plant I call it the herpes of cannabis and so they put them out there
48:15
the wind picks up the spores now that more people are growing outside well
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it's most often indoors yeah you get it indoors and it's enclosed right so the Spurs outside they
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go in the wind and it's like a great atmosphere of earth right when you get it in a room it stays in that room and
48:33
it infects all your other plants so then somebody takes a cutting that's been infected it's a forever disease I call it the herpes of cannabis yeah because
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you don't always have a sore when you have herpes but you're gonna get one right you're gonna get one right and
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probably Builders like that you could look so I've heard you can try you can try cutting off the
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leaves or the powdery mildew it still doesn't do it it's genetic it's right in here I know I did I did that I made that
49:00
mistake at the bottom of the plant started getting powdery mildew and I was like [ __ ] so I took the top of the plant
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and I cut it and I rooted it and I put it in two trays look at it you see the
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face I love that when when uh you know or
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maybe you got it from someone Ross like you definitely got it from someone I was like oh I remember Ross's rule yes
49:37
one one time you took something and it was because it was something special from somebody you trusted and even then
49:44
he quarantined it for like I can't even tell you how long he's like I don't care it's not going in my room
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yeah I'm gonna give you hell if I get powder rebuilding from you yeah yeah
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it's just like if you you know if you had relations with someone that had herpes and they didn't tell you and now
50:04
all of a sudden you got the sore and you're going like hey you're like I don't trust you yeah yeah see I that's why anytime anybody
50:11
would ever ask me a question about like growing I'd be like send an email with photos to BMA Hydroponics they will help
50:19
you they'll send you a response yeah yeah so what obviously the plant is
50:25
complex and we've talked about the growing problems and and and just the the fine balance that it takes I mean
50:31
you have the same flat plants and the same tent and just based on positioning so what would you say what what is the
50:38
kind of main issues that if people could just grasp a couple of these foundational
50:43
issues they at least have a better shot at growing wealth
50:48
I'm pay attention to them you don't just run downstairs
50:53
throw water on them every three days or so and think that oh they're gonna grow
50:59
and they're going to be fine no pH is really important
51:04
check your plants because you if you catch Things Early your chances of
51:10
success are much greater but always pH your water I've had so many people say
51:15
to me now I never pH and everything's fine well you know what it would be so much better if you did pH and you're
51:23
going to if you it's like having somebody who has an underlying condition
51:29
they're more susceptible to anything that comes along if your plant is
51:35
healthy as a healthy immune system it's going to be able to fight off small
51:40
little things like texture fluctuations like your fan quits one night well
51:45
you're not probably going to get powdery mildew or something you know a
51:50
fungal problem or something because your plant is healthy and can put up with environmental stresses so just watch
51:58
your plants prune them don't let them get too thick you want to be able to see through them so that they get good
52:04
ventilation that was hard as a new grower I just want to say that is hard
52:10
because you feel like you're hurting your plant but trust me you're helping
52:15
the plant because you're allowing more lights to get to the bottom you're also allowing more airflow and avoiding
52:22
powdery mildew so that's right make sure you prune it yeah like you can then use the leaves
52:28
for art or juicing or salad or it's not a waste sure yeah and because
52:34
you're not spraying things on them other than maybe water occasionally is a is a
52:41
Mist then you can eat them just don't just don't go Whole Hog if you're not
52:46
used to that because they have a lot of chlorophyll in them so just take you know and add four or five to six leaves
52:52
in your salad you know people juice them you have to start slow
52:57
but yes and it's it's it's really good for you it is it's been here
53:06
since the beginning of man and I'm not sure who came first it's like the Chicken and the Egg I'm not sure if
53:12
cannabis came first and then man found it or if men did it yeah together we did
53:19
it we did it together we have so many
53:28
people seven but we have them we have the most reason there's a reason we do
53:34
so it's been yeah and it's symbionic with us we
53:40
have a relationship with this plant over and have four since the beginning of
53:45
time yeah yeah so and we've I mean like USI the the Iceman over five thousand
53:52
years yeah yeah they found them Frozen in the ice cannabis medicine
53:59
really yeah yeah I was like 10 000 years so you've been frozen something yeah but he had a
54:06
little sack of cannabis on his belt so they've used it for medicinal purposes and everything else for
54:14
thousands of years the first real written prescription was from China that
54:20
they found and it was over 7 000 years ago and it was for menstrual cramps for women
54:26
so you know and I mean one of the first prescriptions everything you need to
54:32
take more cannabis [Laughter]
54:37
so so um for people who who are um religious and
54:43
and religion I don't knock that at all if you're a Believer you're a Believer but understand God created this plan
54:51
yeah it's good here and he didn't create it um for you to say don't do that
54:57
okay he it's here for a reason and we've had a relationship with it for a long
55:02
long time as humans and as long as we've been had religion we've had cannabis
55:09
and uh cannabis got a bad rap you know moving forward and um and and
55:14
religion I mean they don't like anything they want you to drink booze they don't want you to take cannabis they want to
55:20
do anything and that's fine you know and and religious people have their right to practice their religion and believe what
55:25
they want to believe but we also have the right to believe what we like and and um and understand what we understand
55:32
because religion does not Embrace science as
55:38
much as possibly I might okay so for me it's about science it's not about belief
55:44
and no that's finally being done all the science right to prove a lot of the things that all the anecdotal evidence
55:52
where people who A Lot Like Us started out recreationally
55:57
and then we found like hey this also helps you know I can move my hands and
56:02
things a lot better from arthritis than I could before or or things it's but
56:07
it's now being proven it's not just anecdotal evidence now they're actually doing studies and that's probably even
56:15
though a lot of people were against legalization because of what it did to a
56:21
lot of markets to a lot of things it's the only way they've now been actually
56:27
able to study it and find some of the properties safe or PTSD things like that
56:34
because it's you know before that in order to get a special
56:39
permit from the government to study the Cannabis and it had to have been produced under
56:46
strict regulations they still have some of these issues in
56:52
the states they need to legalize it federally but in Mississippi there's this area that's courted off it's about
56:59
the size of a football field where they grow different strains of cannabis just
57:04
to send out for medical research so it's it's weird looking though but it's got
57:11
this huge fence with you know concertina barbed wire on the top and everything
57:16
but yeah well the science the science is certainly part of the like we talk about
57:22
people's stories breaking down stigma the science has tremendously um helped me I've as I've learned more
57:28
and heard people and read more and say like oh my goodness science and the sad thing is is somewhere along the way even
57:35
though we didn't have science as it's maybe being done today but a long time
57:40
ago people had this knowledge that they had gained through multiple tests along
57:45
the way may not have been in journals and and written all these things but they figured it out and then the
57:51
pressure came down uh cut everybody tried to push it away and that knowledge almost seemed to be lost even though
57:59
people were still continuing to use it secretly um all this all this knowledge has to be
58:05
refound and redistributed now somewhere along the way it got just yeah it's kind of sad wasn't the government using
58:12
cannabis privately like secretly prescribing certain people yeah
58:19
like they knew a long time ago they just suppressed all this information because they didn't want it out there yes no and
58:27
and also figure out how to monetize it yet that's right and a lot of it came
58:32
from that because the the Alcohol Tobacco industry and actually I just say it but the
58:40
forestry and paper industry still plays a huge part in in doing that
58:48
there was I was listening to a show on CBC it happened to be and one lady was
58:54
writing and going why is there not hemp toilet paper like why don't we have hemp toilet paper and they're saying well it
59:02
takes for one paper mill to to switch over and be able to run
59:07
hemp or cannabis it's all a hand um it would take 70
59:14
000 acres to run one and in Canada right now there are fewer than a hundred
59:21
permits for hemp Farms it has to go through Health Canada but
59:29
it's agriculture Canada it's the forestry the RCMP but it's the forestry Industries
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[Music] we want to still we want to cut down
59:40
trees and Destroy forests and right destroy the environment it doesn't make sense which is so heavy
59:48
in fibers that you could just displace all of this tree removal but there's big money in
59:55
are they waiting for all of the trees to be gone because they do do they not
1:00:00
realize that it takes hundreds of years for trees to grow and one year for
1:00:06
cannabis to grow not even like this big country we got a lot of trees right yeah
1:00:11
it's a big and there's money
1:00:16
but what what you're what you're suggesting is that uh the government and uh
1:00:23
um companies uh only do stuff to serve to serve their to serve their own
1:00:28
purposes that's conspiracy level that's that can't be true it is absolutely it's
1:00:34
not it is a conspiracy and it's real and they are doing it and they have been doing it but it's now getting to a point
1:00:41
where they can't put their thumb on it anymore it's getting more and more into it and like Deb said it would take a lot
1:00:47
of Acres but more and more acres of hemp which is what you use for fiber
1:00:52
um it's getting bigger and bigger all the time as it becomes bigger the equipment that's required to process it
1:01:00
down into the other products like paper and things like that um are are improving too but it seems to
1:01:06
be a slow gradual process because the forestry industry keeps trying to push
1:01:11
it back down right because they want their money out of the trees and they're clear-cutting Forest isn't that fun I
1:01:18
mean do we really want to clear cut all our forests or do we want to grow this renewable plant I wonder if the fashion
1:01:25
industry is in on it too because yes you know have fiber clothing it's cool well
1:01:30
you know like hemp can do so much you can and hemp is actually for because
1:01:37
countries like Australia and now it's seeming to be all over where the world's
1:01:42
on fire and the UVS are so high hemp actually filters out more UVS from the
1:01:49
Sun than cotton does than even silk does so you know hemp clothing
1:01:56
would help in countries to help curb some of the UV exposure as well when you're you're out on the beach and
1:02:03
frying so you know all I heard in what Deb just said was go and plant cannabis
1:02:09
everywhere everywhere there you go everywhere go put it in you know the public parks just just go plant it make
1:02:16
sure it's low THC though so if like you know people get their hands on it they're not going to get too
1:02:27
if you develop an allergy to the raw cannabis due to the acids that are in
1:02:33
the leaves I have that I'm highly allergic to touching it raw yeah unless
1:02:38
it's fried not a problem but when it's fresh yeah I have to wear gloves long sleeves because I break out in blisters
1:02:46
if if it touches me too much and that's from years of picking
1:02:52
in the field and D4 you know defoliating and all of those things but yeah that
1:02:59
would be terrible can I can I bring up just one one quick subject because I know we're probably running out of time here yeah I've been involved um also in
1:03:06
court challenges um most recently with Paul Lewin the lawyer
1:03:11
um it was called the Wernicke at Al versus uh his majesty the king that's
1:03:17
the first one it used to be all her majesty the queen yes and this is the
1:03:22
first case that was found to be uh versus his majesty the king so hm 2K
1:03:30
um we won and it was all about dispensaries these guys have been running
1:03:35
um what at the time were illegal dispensaries in Saskatchewan um for medical so it's all about medical
1:03:41
cannabis and medical cannabis dispensaries so they took it all the way to the Supreme to the superior court and
1:03:49
it has not been challenged to go to Supreme Court so quite often these cases get to the superior court and if the
1:03:54
Superior Court finds it to be a violation of our Charter rights they leave it alone and they don't they don't want to take it to Supreme Court because
1:04:00
it's just yeah it's a waste of time so anyway we won so it's about dispensaries that means that Health Canada right now
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going through this review which was built into the Cannabis act now has to consider
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medical cannabis dispensaries so moving forward look for medical cannabis
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dispensaries yes they are coming and as far as some amazing yeah are worried
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they are never going to be able to take away the medical patient's right to grow
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their own medicine they can't it was found in the Parker
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uh decision back in 1999 so many Court decisions it's it's never going to
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disappear even with some of the others with uh judge Manson when he did the
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injunction and also with judge Phelan saying there had to be a program created
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for Access that all goes hand in hand no matter what they do they'll never be
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able to take away your right to grow your own medicine that's good to know I know that was a
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concerned like you said it was the access that they said once you know
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you can grow but that's because there's no access to cannabis and now as we know there's more than enough access to
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cannabis there is been recreational right who they want you to go into a recreational store by recreational
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Cannabis pay and excise tax which is a syntax right yeah canvases medicine is
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not a sin no I'm sorry and you should be able and you can order it online you know but there's no in-person access so
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yeah case was all about in-person access and moving forward because we won this
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case and and I reiterated it with with health Canada because we had some consultation sessions just recently
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um where out of those consultations there was a selection of a steering committee of which I was chosen to be on
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that too so this new thing is going to hopefully include the dispensaries and
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we're going to put this all behind us and we're going to start acting like adults and and and and realizing that
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there needs to be special access in person yes for medical cannabis with
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someone behind the counter who knows what Medical Campus is what it does what it's good for who the consult with
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people you know they don't have to be a doctor no
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that's where we need we need um like the fact that we have recreational stores
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before we had medical stores and or sorry pharmacies um and we've had a medical system before
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we had a recreational system is frustrating for patients so it will be
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nice for people to um like we've talked about it too the biggest problem with dispensaries
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currently is that you can't get information one way or the other really yeah
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they're not allowed I know right yeah yeah we're both we're both registered um
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cancel so like Timmy Timmy when he did it he's like wow there's more about
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um like going to jail or what like what not to do and how to avoid going to jail
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yes it was all it was all the restrictions of of what what could what bad could happen to you and uh by the
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way uh you can't actually share any information and that you're learning here with anybody you come across
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you know it's it's crazy and I mean if you somebody comes to you and says yeah
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I get anxiety or I have trouble sleeping or I have this you know you can't sit
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there and say you know what you need something with pinene in it as you know
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so this is destroying Time Warp or this one you know that we didn't help you
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right but yeah we did it at the store because we had no such regulations when we sold the seeds right and we would get
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different things in for people to help them like we had carried pentatonic low THC High CBD seeds and then the bank
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found out yeah it wasn't the pleasure town so Bank found out we were selling cannabis seeds our bank accounts down
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isn't that nice so uh yeah and it's
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it's always there's all kinds of places that sell seeds but if your bank finds out yourself to this day
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well there's clearly there's clearly lots that has been done and lots that it
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still needs to be done across the entire industry and um I I can certainly tell
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now though um I I not that I doubt MJ but you know she says we need to have uh Devin Ross
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on and I was like okay but now I know why and we can we could easily we could
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easily talk um for another for another hour absolutely um and uh which we'll have to do in
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person because yes we'll take that trip out there but
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especially for the ice cream the moon Mist yeah yeah there you go what
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um no MJ would say that she would often with growing and and we'll kind of close off and on this you know she would
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always you know be like hey you need to talk to to Devin Ross um people still do
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can people still reach out to you I mean we have account on the bottom here we've got BMA Hydroponics for connecting on
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Instagram but um are there ways to do that there's there's that and also for Growers our
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YouTube channel BMA Hydroponics is still up and going go to that the last indoor
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grow Ross and I did we I'm a fan of ebb and flow that's how I learned but we did
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growing in Cocoa on an ebb and flow table in pots we grew nine plants and
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yielded in a four by four table and we yielded 2.8 pounds dry using two 630
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watt CMH lights
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and there's multiple methods of growing indoors and multiple methods of growing
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outdoors and it's all taken in episodes right from yeah
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for the taking of The Cutting all the way to the Harvest so every one of them is a trip down a different Road on how
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to programs so if you want to know the BMA hydroponics on YouTube and you'll find it all right there yeah yep
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do Instagram and I'll answer your questions he's not so good on Instagram I am but yeah
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somebody deleted my Facebook profile okay I know
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so if somebody wanted like the recipe or like to to talk to you about topicals too they can just reach out through Instagram yes all right yes so Instagram
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is the way uh we will put a link to the YouTube channel uh in the descriptions both in audio and video versions okay
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um dab and Ross it is it has been an absolute pleasure uh hopefully we can we can make a trip out there and I can meet
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you guys in person um just thank you so much for joining us today I'm Jenny final word sir
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thanks so much take care take care [Music]